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Anyone have experience of a Camvac 286-4, years ago I made a mistake and bought a one of these thinking it would be powerful enough to use with ducting,
http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-ho ... -extractor
I have severe to profound hearing loss,I only ever do a couple of hours woodwork in the afternoons when the neighbours are at work, so noise isn't a problem.
As the drum is small I will be using a Thein baffle, I will be connecting via 4" ducting, a bandsaw, table saw, bench sander and a SCMS, all will have blast gates fitted.
I will probably keep the Axminster extractor and leave it connected to my planer/thicknesser.
Also I will be buying from The Toolpost in Oxford, via the Internet, has anyone used them?

Stew
 
Presumably you mean the little Axminster was not up to the job, not the Camvac? I have the twin motor Camvac 286-4 and although it's not attached to built in ducting, it will suck for England. You need to check it regularly as it seems to fill remarkably quickly when attached to a planer thicknesser, and you need to wash the bag from time to time, but I'm very happy with mine.
 
How funny, I was looking at the wall mounted version (GV286W4) online only last night. Comparing it to the a Record Power (DX5000) it looks very similar; motors, power, air flow and filtration are all comparable. The Record Power has 200l capacity vs 150l for the Camvac. It is also the case that the Record Power is bigger (reflecting greater capacity in part) but it also weighs more. Normally I would question whether weight equates in some way to quality, but I do also note that Camvac (following the acquisition by Record Power) provides the same 5 year warranty.

Given the above, from my perspective it would be hard justify the apparent price difference between the two on anything the online specification highlights, with the Record Power at £449.99 vs the Camvac price tag of £314.49.


I am alert to noise though, given other comments. If I am running one of these types of machine in a also ably well insulated workshop in my garden about 50 feet from my neighbour's kitchen (newly extended with very up to date double glazing) are they likely to be able to hear the dust extractor running?

Terry.
 
I doubt that the extractor will be the issue. The planer and bench saw in particular will make a lot more noise. My workshop in a solid stone built barn is 100m from a neighbour who says he can hear machines running some of the time. Subjectively it is the planer that makes the most noise, I dont know if measured noise levels bear this out ? Anyone got figures ?
 
It's also the frequency spectrum of the noise to consider. A Camvac is a brush motor and will make much more noise than, say, something like the Axminster 2200 chip extractor which uses an induction motor which sends out more of a low hum than a banshee wail.
 
Stew, I have a Camvac twin motor 286 4" inlet. Hooked up to a cyclone from Cyclone Central. The camvac sits outside and above the workshop with 4" duct to the cyclone and then around the workshop. Copes amazingly well with chips from P/T as well as dust from lathe, Table saw etc. Very pleased.

More details here
viewtopic.php?f=26&t=471&hilit=camvac&start=50

Not used Toolpost I bought my Camvac from Biven Machinery.
 
Popped out to the workshop with my sound level meter. Using A weighting which matches the perception of the ear to the noise spectrum, a few quick results as follows:

Chip extractor (induction) 77 dB

Camvac twin (brush) 84dB

Sedgwick planer/thicknesser (no cutting) 83dB

Delta thicknesser (brush) 96dB

Bosch SCMS (no cutting) 100dB (cutting a bit of 2x2 = 104dB )
 
Thanks guys, I thought the Camvac would be up to it, I just wanted confirmation, the only problem (well not so much a problem as a little niggle) is I will not be able to change from one motor to two remotely, but the up side is, I will be able to breath :D
The reason I am buying from The Toolpost is its just over £300 delivered, best price I could find.

Stew
 
Fwiw I run mine continuously on both motors. I do have a remote socket so I can switch it on and off easily.
 
I had a Camvac but the 4" ducting couldn't cope with the shavings from my P/T especially woods like Maple and Sycamore that produced long spirally shavings.
My Record DX with 100mm entry - no problems.

Rod
 
I have an Axy 2200 DX with 100mm and a Numatic NVD750 with both 100mm & 32mm ports and they satisfy all my needs. The 2200 runs exclusively at 100mm and is used on my P/T and bottom port of TS/BS and the Numatic tends to get used on the crown guard for TS, spindle sander, under table on TS, close vac type work.

Not sure how the Camvac compares to the Numatic but the 750 has a hell of a lot of suck! Pricey though.

Cheers
Mark
 
The Axi 2200 is a good chip extractor. What did you do to replace the grotty top bag that they supply, Mark? I bought a sub-micron filter cartridge from RB Industrial...probably due for a replacement.
 
RogerS":1kgp2e6c said:
The Axi 2200 is a good chip extractor. What did you do to replace the grotty top bag that they supply, Mark? I bought a sub-micron filter cartridge from RB Industrial...probably due for a replacement.
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Same as you, not sure which I bought or from where but it wasn't the expensive Axy one.

Cheers
Mark
 
RogerS":dbim1syi said:
The Axi 2200 is a good chip extractor. What did you do to replace the grotty top bag that they supply, Mark? I bought a sub-micron filter cartridge from RB Industrial...probably due for a replacement.
Click to expand...

Do you know if this is what is now branded as the AWEDE2?

Terry.
 
Wizard9999":1mr8ktpk said:
Do you know if this is what is now branded as the AWEDE2?

Terry.
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Not quite Terry, the AWEDE2 looks to be considerably lower powered, see below

Air Flow 850m³/hr
Bag Capacity 57 litres
Capacity N/A
Hose Diameter 100mm
Model AWEDE2
Nett Weight 24.5kg
Noise Level 73dB(A)
Overall L X W X H 790 x 370 x 1,530mm
Particle Size 30 micron
Power 750W (230V, 1ph)
Pressure N/A
Rating Hobby


ADE2200
Air Flow: 2,200m³/hr
Bag Capacity: 148 litres
Hose Diameter: 1 x 150mm or 2 x 100mm
Nett Weight: 52kg
Overall L x W x H: 1,070 x 560 x 2,010mm
Power: 1,100W
Rating: Trade

Shame because as Roger says it's a really powerful beast.

Cheers
Mark
 
As Mark said I have the AWEDE2 with the fine filter cartridge and upgraded to the SIP 3HP beast.

The AWEDE2 is good for smaller machines but is noticeably less grunty than its bigger bro!

Mine will go on eBay as I need the room, had I not got a great deal on the SIP at Costco then the big 2200 Axi would definitely have been on my watch list.
 
OK, thanks chaps. Presume the Axi 2200 must be an older model as can't see that in their website. Seems the closest spec is the FM3000BC.

2,000m³/hr @100mm inlet 2,500m³/hr @125mm inlet
150 litres
47kg
77dB(A)
1.5kW (230V, 1ph)
Hobby

Regards,
Terry.
 
Wizard9999":cubolm9d said:
OK, thanks chaps. Presume the Axi 2200 must be an loder model as can't see that in their website. Seems the closest spec is the FM3000BC.

2,000m³/hr @100mm inlet 2,500m³/hr @125mm inlet
150 litres
47kg
77dB(A)
1.5kW (230V, 1ph)
Hobby

Regards,
Terry.
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Yep, mine is probably 6-7 years old now.

Cheers
Mark
 
stephen.wood125":2a1858cr said:
...had I not got a great deal on the SIP at Costco then the big 2200 Axi would definitely have been on my watch list.
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Gosh, that was a good tip, that looks a lot of extractor for not a lot of money. CostCo currently quote £199.99 (incl. VAT) for the SIP which is little more than small Axi and more grunt than the big Axi. I presume that in the time you have had the SIP you have been happy with it?

Terry.
 
I've seen on other woodworking sites that the SIP doesn't perform as is quoted by the manufacturers, one buyer was even given a full refund by SIP, has anyone actually measured the performance of this model?

Stew
 
And worth pointing out that with all fine dust filters they will blind after a while. I have a manometer which, when I'm minded to, will measure the pressure drop across the filter. Ideally it should be zero. I do remember weighing one of the RB cartridges before and after a lot of use and found about 5kg of fine dust was adhering to the inside pleats proving it works well!
 
I've seen one or two DC over the years with an agitator built into the filter which operates when the main blower/sucker switches off and the worst of the accumulated fine dust will drop out. My involvement has been when the control gear has given trouble and users have been mystified by the extra wiring and built in timer associated with the agitator. I've not had a problem with the agitators themselves to sort out.

I don't use it on my system as the filter are horizontal up on the ceiling. They get taken down once every couple of years and cleaned out in the garden - you should hear the birds coughing after that :lol:

http://vid115.photobucket.com/albums/n313/9fingersphotos/Mvi_0217.mp4
 
Great video, Bob. What a comprehensive system!

I bought the larger SIP machine with the intention of installing some ductwork to machines, but nothing like as advanced as your set up! :shock:

:text-bravo:
 
I bought a Camvac but not the model I first mentioned, I went for the wall mounted one, I intend to make a frame to mount it on, I don't want to secure it to the wall just yet, I've got to create a space for it but the first thing I will do is fit a relief vavle, boy does it have some suck! I couldn't find a supplier with any in stock, I have to buy direct from Record, (although it was actually sold by Westcountry Woodworking Machine Ltd.) I ordered online on the 16th, order despatched 17th and delivered 18th, more than happy with the service, plus the 5 year guarantee.

Stew
 
Stew,
I'd be interested to see what design of relief valve you choose. I had fun making mine but it did take a few goes to get right. Positioning was also important.
 
TrimTheKing":3ail2dpe said:
RogerS":3ail2dpe said:
The Axi 2200 is a good chip extractor. What did you do to replace the grotty top bag that they supply, Mark? I bought a sub-micron filter cartridge from RB Industrial...probably due for a replacement.
Click to expand...
Same as you, not sure which I bought or from where but it wasn't the expensive Axy one.

Cheers
Mark
Click to expand...

After much deliberation I ordered one of the 3 HP SiP chip extractors. Plan is to fit a cyclone at the front end and a filter cartridge to replace the bag. For anyone who has bought a cartridge from R&B Industrial or elsewhere what did you do, just provide the size you wanted and the degree of filtering? Do they then just make them to order?

Also, does anyone know if the level of filtering also relates to size, or just the material inside? I want to filter down as far as reasonable, but don't want to end up with something that is too tall for my workshop.

Thanks as ever for any thoughts.

Terry.
 
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