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Longcase clocks

RogerS

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I was commissioned to make six longcase clock cases in zebrano, lacewood (2), bird's eye maple, African satinwood and pippy oak. I bought all the wood sawn from Whitmore's but had to make a trip down to Yandles to get some 2" zebrano.

This is what we're aiming for.



First thing was to make the back boards. None of the wood was wide enough and so I either had to rip thick stuff down and treat it as a bookmark like this lacewood



or thickness it down equally on both sides.

The former turned into a bit of a nightmare as ripping down released all sorts of tensions in the wood which then proceeded to cup, twist and generally misbehave. My conclusion was (and born out in discussion with Peter Sefton at a later date) that you just had to bite the bullet and accept that even though you might have some timber that was, say, 45mm or 50mm thick that you could not expect to rip it down and get two pieces that would plane/thickness down to 18mm. If 50mm was all you could get then realise that you're going to 'waste' timber and thickness equally off both sides removing enough from each to get you down to your finished size.

Then you discover that a lot of this wood has cross-grain and you learn to dread that horrible 'snick' sound as your blades rip out a chunk. Even with sharp blades. Even taking a smidgeon of a cut. I never got round to trying a back bevel on the blades simply because (a) I'd have to go and get someone to do it and (b) I'd have to spend time replacing the existing Barke blades and re-aligning the back bevel blades because (c) I am lazy. So in the end it came down to thicknessing by drum sander which took forever and a day and has to be the most mind-numbingly boring job.

Anyway, back boards finally made and glued together in the wall-mounted Plano clamps. Ah, thereby hangs a tail. They do the job extremely well but loading up the boards while simultaneously holding back the clamps...all four or five of them..needs the patience of a saint lest the air grow blue with profanity. In the end some judiciously placed elastic straps saved the day. I also use these blocks - recommended by David Charlesworth - to maintain an even pressure across the board regardless as to how square the clamps are (usually not).



And because I needed a top piece I made sure that the lengths I was cutting were long enough (wherever possible) to extend the cutline and grain through from back board to top.



The tops are fixed to the backboards with large dovetails and because (a) I was making six in one go and (b) I got suckered into thinking that there would be more clocks to come, I made a jig and also sourced a dovetail cutter with the right shallow angle.












More to come
 
Roger, looks very interresting project.

I like the glass panels as opposed to the solid wood, looks less bulky.

Will watch with great interest.

Where do the clock works come from?

Cheers
Phil
 
Cracking - I am going to enjoy following this one! Always wanted to build a long case clock but it is very low down the tuit list currently. Think it might be a retirement project and I was 43 last week so quite a way down the list indeed :lol:

Steve
 
Me too....I find long case clocks are one of the pieces that show off wood in the best way. I think it's to do with the contrast of the different materials in close proximity. I've always wanted to build one and never got round to it.

I think this will be a cracker Roger and what a truly glorious choice of woods because I also prefer the blond looking clocks to the really dark stained older mahogany style. I also particularly like Lacewood so you've hit my sweet spot with this project. I know what you mean about tearout on the planar too....if only I had a drum sander to be "bored with". Since we don't have much of Downton Abbey and Homeland to go I'll follow this with interest :-)
 
Thanks, chaps.

Continuing with the dovetails





This needs a bit of trimming still





You can just see one of the Plano clamps left-centre edge of the photo.


Here's one back board, dovetailed and with the two small wings attached.



The bottom is basically a box. Making the two side panels not exactly earth-shattering...more thicknessing and gluing up to make the larger panels. I use Dominos to fix to the rear side cheeks.



The front panel is a bit more interesting. An inlaid ply panel veneered, and moulded rails and stiles.





And Domino'd all together.

I did have an Oh S***t moment with the Zebrano front panel as I set the plunge depth too deep and the cutter came out the front of the panel stiles. You probably heard the scream down in South Africa, Phil. I tried carving up some Domino's from Zebrano to insert them into the holes but the client noticed. After I had delivered the finished clock. Oh double s**t. What do do? Cut the front panel off and remake it? How to keep a clean line and not see the join when the replacement panel was glued in place?

Then someone suggested dropping in a veneer. I got one of those very bright magnifying lights, a brand new router cutter, and some very very sharp chisels. I then proceeded to rout out 0.5mm from the face of the errant stile but leaving a very fine straight line on the moulding alongside the infill panel. Then glued in some zebrano veneer.

This is the front panel before I stuffed the Domino cutter all the way through



This as supplied to the client. Can you spot the Domino infill plug ?



And this is after I dropped in the veneer but before any final finishing. Rather pleased with the result TBH.



The wild difference in colours is down to the ambient lighting and whether or not I was using a flash.
 
Nice save there Roger......no-one will notice that in a million years> I had to really look hard at the close-up to even see it when I knew what I was looking for :-)
 
Mis-labelled one of the photos above...this one. These were batched up tops and side panels.

The plastic box is my Go-To project box. With something as complex as the longcase clock with different router cutters and spindle moulder cutters, I find it easier to keep them all together in one place - ie the Go-To box - for the duration of the project (rather than keep putting them tidily away at the end of the day :eusa-liar: )



There was a question regarding the actual clock mechanism. I'd prefer to not put this in the public domain but happy to reply by PM.

So we've got to the point where I've started to assemble the various components for three of them.









If you look closely you can also see that the middle mouldings have been made and fitted. How I do these I'll come to later when I describe the top mouldings.
 
Crikey Roger, I didn't realise you were this dandy with the old woody stuff - fair play to you ole chap and lovely projects. 8-)
 
Pinch":11evlr2d said:
Crikey Roger, I didn't realise you were this dandy with the old woody stuff - fair play to you ole chap and lovely projects. 8-)

Thanks, Paul.


And so onto the doors. The original spec was to have all doors hinged. Lefthand side door hinges off the backboard and the front door then hinges off the front of the lefthand door. Righthand door hinges off the backboard.

I chose to use Wealden's combination router cutter.



This is designed for panel doors and if I was going to use the cutter 'as is' then if the glass broke there would be a bit of a problem. So I altered the cutter by adding some additional rebate cutters to remove the tongue.



That way, the glass can be held in by simple beads on the inside of each door.

Now because I was stupid and got suckered into the hype being bandied about regarding what the future prospects were in terms of future orders, as well as making the jig for the dovetails, I made a cutting jig for the door hinges and lock.



Using a bearing guided router bit and the appropriate template it would be straightforward to batch cut the rebates for the hinges and lock. The corners could then be simply tidied up with a chisel afterwards.



The doors were then glued up on these guide frames to ensure 90 degrees without any trauma.



And here are the zebrano doors glued up



and a dry fit on the cabinet to double check all was shipshape.



What's not shown is the dust trap in the ends of the doors and backboard - basically a groove into which is dropped a half-round and a corresponding groove in the mating surface.
 
Pinch":d923cdd1 said:
Crikey Roger, I didn't realise you were this dandy with the old woody stuff - fair play to you ole chap and lovely projects. 8-)

Hides his light under a bushel does Roger :D

Well worth the WIP Roger, thanks. And nice to see you did not tidy up for the cameraman. :)
 
RogerS":2jxdofln said:
You probably heard the scream down in South Africa, Phil.

Was that you? Thought we were being invaded by the northern Zim neighbours! :lol:

That is really nice work Roger. Do you work off full size plans or just off A4 drawings?

It was I that asked about the clock works.

Cheers
Phil
 
Phil, I work off scrappy bits of paper and a few SketchUp drawings! And a rod.

OK - last instalment. At the top of the clock there is this moulding



How did I go about doing this ?

First up was to run off lengths of the moulding on the spindle moulder using a cutter I'd had made up.



I then clamp a temporary support to the top to give me a bit of stability when nudging the three mouldings into shape.



I start with the front moulding, cut slightly over length with 45 degree corners. Now my skills aren't up to that of Rob (Woodbloke), and so I find it easiest to set my 45 degree on the mitre gauge on the linisher and gently sand each corner until the front piece fits the length of the top piece it will be glued to.

No guarantee that that top piece is perfectly square and, as we all know, even a smidgeon of a degree of 90 will throw out the mitre joint so my approach is to use slightly over-long side pieces and adjust the angle of the mitre gauge on the linisher, often with pieces of paper to just nudge the angle right until I get a perfect fit. Then repeat for the other side.

Getting there



After that I'll glue on some supporting blocks



When it comes to glueing to the top piece I soon found out that the shape of the moulding didn't allow itself to easy clamping. What to do? One thing was certain and that was that the top piece was flat. The moulding pieces were also at the right mitre angle. My cast-iron table saw is flat so I glue the three moulding pieces together on that by applying a thin coat of Titebond but using a small amount of Mitre-Mate on each corner which holds the joints together until the Titebond has gone off.



The biggest problem I had when making these top mouldings up was to cut the mitre angle the right way round. Hence the "master reference left hand mitre" you can see in the background!

Once glued the composite moulding is glued in place on the top piece.



All that's left is the beat scale (the item at the back of this photo). The scale is inset into the block of wood by routing out the correct radius by fitting the router on a jig with a very long trammel that is adjustable until you get the exact curve to match the scale.

The hole for the weight to drop through as some very nicely turned inserts - done by maestro-turner Mark Hancock.





And that's about it. Thanks for looking.
 
RogerS":1nkmmgs2 said:
...my skills aren't up to that of Rob (Woodbloke)

Good stuff Roger. If you'd seen some of the ghastly cock ups I was making yesterday, those words wouldn't have been penned :lol: - Rob
 
Cracking stuff Roger. Personally I can't see the attraction in Zebrano on something that big. But the oak one looks gorgeous.
 
Yep, echoing that - very impressive work!

Roger, why was your previous post your last instalment? Where are the finished pics?

Or am I missing something :|
 
Pinch":1by86yd8 said:
Yep, echoing that - very impressive work!

Roger, why was your previous post your last instalment? Where are the finished pics?

Or am I missing something :|

Thanks guys.

Finished item is in the first post !
 
RogerS":2xn076s0 said:
Pinch":2xn076s0 said:
Yep, echoing that - very impressive work!

Roger, why was your previous post your last instalment? Where are the finished pics?

Or am I missing something :|

Thanks guys.

Finished item is in the first post !

Oh I see :shock: sorry about that.

I thought the first picture was the original and you were making a copy or copies. My humble apologies! I couldn't have read your posts thoroughly enough :oops:

I'll echo what Commander said - very very (and another 'very' stitched in) very impressive!

Did you make the chair as well?

I know I'm waffling again, but I didn't realise you were a pro (sorry) and I've always wanted to make a longcase clock (Grandfather) myself. The outcome of yours is truly superb!

:text-bravo:
 
LOL....hardly a Pro, Paul, more like an enthusiastic, sometimes paid amateur. No I didn't make the chair. If I was ever commissioned to make a set of table and chairs I'd do what Peter Sefton recommended...namely, put all your effort into the table as that is what people look at and outsource the chairs to someone who makes them up all the time!!

Here is the Vulliamy that I made as part of the original order.







Hardly any WIP photos, though.
 
Yep, that mahogany looks absolutely flame'n wonderful !! 8-)

Cracking job!

I want to make one! A reet biggen Godfather Grandfather clock.
 
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