Trim's Workshop build

[TrimTheKing]

Not wanting to be left out of all this workshop build action we've got going on, I too am in the early stages of building myself a new workshop.

As many of you already know my workshop is an approx 6m x 6m, centrally heated, attached double garage, which is and has been an absolute luxury. Now we have 2 kids (5 & 1/2 and 4 & 1/2) and all the accompanying toys they seem to come with and my wife has decided enough is enough and the kids really need a playroom where they can keep all their toys (and more importantly, SWMBO can get them out of every other room in the house), so the only obvious option is the workshop, and I'm being evicted! :eusa-violin:

Here is where my problems begin. I am very fortunate to live in a barn on an old farm in the middle of 112 acres of greenbelt farmland, which while being a lovely place to live causes me all kinds of headaches regarding building a new workshop. We have had our permitted development rights removed as part of the original conversion of the barn so anything needs full planning.

I currently have 2 sheds in the garden, one is a standard pent roof style square jobby and the other is a plinth built shed structure with fancy dovecote roof which was built as part of the original planning proposal. Fancy shed is 4.5m x 2.6m and the normal shed being 2.2m x 1.5m giving me a total outbuilding footprint of approximately 15sqm.

My ideal size would be something IRO 8m x 5m (40sqm) which is probably a bit too big, but I figured to make it as big as possible with a view to getting knocked back in the planning process and have some fat to trim off to appease the planning office and ultimately arrive at something workable.

I kicked off the process by drawing a sketchup plan (minus some of the exterior garden extents which I will be adding in this week) and created a couple of diagrams, one of the existing sheds and another of the proposed, then requested a Pre-Planning advice meeting from Warrington Borough Council. This involves a site meeting with a planning officer who comes out to discuss your proposal, materials, location, sizes etc and advises you on what you need to take into consideration for your application.

Long story short, he was very supportive of my proposal to build in the same Cheshire brick as the barn, no problem with slate roof as that too matches the house. Where he did have a challenge was the size! We talked at length about greenbelt policy and what constitutes acceptable development in the greenbelt and ultimately his view is that there is no circumstance in which this would be acceptable, but they are pragmatic and understand that people have needs so in while principal they wouldn't object to a proposed building, what they would be looking at is 'visual impact and loss of amenity to the green belt'.

What this means essentially is that they would allow me to have something but would be looking to keep it to within no more than 33% larger than the existing combined footprint. That would put it in the region of 20sqm which really isn't big enough for my needs :roll: :eusa-whistle:

This is what the existing looks like from a couple of angles:






And here's my initial drawings of a first draft proposed structure:






And here's a dimensioned version:



So now we get to my challenge. The Planning Officer suggested that it would be in everyone's interest that I employed a planning consultant/agent that is well practiced in greenbelt policy so I looked into this and effectively what they do is write your accompanying letter detailing why you should be allowed to have what you're applying for and picking holes in the planning policy/framework and all for the bargain fee of around £2500... :shock: :shock: :shock:

I'm tired now but will write the rest of this tomorrow for the hive mind to advise me on the best course of action…

Cheers
Mark

 

[AndyP]

And precisely what green belt amenities would be lost as a result of your proposed workshop?

Can't offer you any insight for advise but I wish you luck. Having watched a few programmes on TV about planning, one of them I think was up your way in Cheshire, I can only wish you luck.

 

[TrimTheKing]

And precisely what green belt amenities would be lost as a result of your proposed workshop?

Can't offer you any insight for advise but I wish you luck. Having watched a few programmes on TV about planning, one of them I think was up your way in Cheshire, I can only wish you luck.

Couldn't agree more Andy, but that's their argument and one they regularly trot out (except when we were campaigning against an illegal Gypsy encampment up the road, then suddenly the loss of amenity was less important than the fact they hadn't provided their legal quota of Gypsy provision (pitches) on council land so they had to allow it, but that's a whole different grumble...).

The planning definition of 'Loss of amenity' is as follows 'Loss of amenity means that the Public will experience some sort of loss in terms of their use and enjoyment of either their homes or the surrounding area.'

The argument is that anything I build has a negative impact on the openness of the green belt, which if I'm honest I can't argue with, but given the size, location, the fact it will be completely shielded from view on the road side by 3m high hedging, and the fact that the only person who can see from the other side will be the farmer when he is harvesting his crops, that kind of blows the argument out in my mind...

Cheers
Mark

 

[RogerS]

Have you asked them exactly what they mean by 'loss'?

 

[9fingers]

In my limited discussions with planners, I've had little success in questioning their "views" on planning policy.

The fundamental trouble is there are few if any hard and fast rules only guidelines and the individuals feelings about an issue. Questioning them puts them on their guard as it is seen as a criticism rather than attempts to get an understanding of their point(s). They don't work with logic and can object if they feel they are being manoeuvred.

For some years it has been allowed for the applicant to speak at the planning decision meeting - I was the first applicant to speak at our council meeting some years back and have a newspaper cutting somewhere.

You get 3 minutes and that is the best time to put a concise logical argument to the whole committee many of whom are councillors and tend to have a more balanced outlook than pure planners.

With these days of civil liberty arguments in other fields, I don't know how they would react to a suggestion that their decision might be going against the facility to allow you to express your full potential in wood or some other such BS - might help?


The other issue over the consultant is to think how much work/effort you need to earn £2500 compared to the satisfaction you will achieve from (beating the b'stards) creating a fabulous work area.

Good Luck

Bob

 

[RogerS]

But surely if they say there will be a 'loss of amenity' then they must say want that is?

 

[9fingers]

But surely if they say there will be a 'loss of amenity' then they must say want that is?

Almost anything can be described as a loss of amenity to someone and it is not measurable/quantifiable which is what makes it frustrating to an applicant and ideal BS for a Planner to say when he does not want something to happen.
You can't apply logic or reason to these people and I've found it is best not to antagonise them.

Many years ago, I put in PP for a house extension with a garage and we specified a Garador Mk3 R Georgian panelled door.
They bounced it on the door saying "the Georgians did not have cars"!

The real point we found out later was that a couple of their householders with similar doors in the next road had picked out the panels in different colours and the planners (and nearly everyone else) hated that. However the planners could do nothing about such decoration so instead had vowed not to let such doors onto new plans. No Logic, no rules just an opinion but still a PITA to get it through PP.

I appealed and got my door which to this day is painted plain white but very tempting to have primed it in a gaudy paint job just to annoy them :lol:

Bob

 

[RogerS]

.....
Almost anything can be described as a loss of amenity to someone and it is not measurable/quantifiable which is what makes it frustrating to an applicant and ideal BS for a Planner to say when he does not want something to happen.
.....
Bob

That is so Kafka-esque. I don't doubt it..just despair.

 

[AndyP]

Supposing you did build it smaller then after a year or so built an extension? Do the building restrictions on extensions, which I thought have recently been simplified only apply to dwellings? I suspect so but am just trying to come up with ideas.

 

[9fingers]

I read somewhere that Mark had lost his PDR on the property so that means technically everything permanent needs PP
Also on a 'normal' development the datum point for PP is the original building/development so you can't build what you want a piece at a time.

I have heard of "refurbishments" being done in two stages to get round full demolition and rebuild objections but not sure of the detail.

I've just got totally pi88ed off with our local planners after three applications and subsequent appeals over the years to get what I wanted and now stick within PDR for a quiet life. In fact any more building development wont get past the current mrs9fingers as she values her garden over any further workshop aspirations I might have.
A sheet metal and welding shop would be nice but.......I can't afford to change the current mrs9fingers so that is that! :lol: :lol:

Bob

 

[AndyP]

How about you build a small extension to the garage to get you from the 36sqm you currently have to the 40sqm that you desire and move the kids and their toys to a new upmarket shed on the site of the existing ones.

Have a feeling that MrsTrim probably would want them next to the house but food for thought? Especially as, in my experience, kids very soon grow out the toys everywhere habit.

 

[TrimTheKing]

Not got a lot of time, but to cover a couple of questions:

1. Permitted Development has been rescinded so I need full planning to build anything at all.
2. There's no room at the side of the property to extend the existing garage as the gable is pretty much hard up against the boundary.
3. Garage is best place for playroom as it is only 2 open doors and the utility room away from the family room/kitchen, so it won't be like we are isolating the kids away from the rest of the house.

Cheers
Mark

 

[TrimTheKing]

Trying to head off the visual impact thing, and also to help with my own challenge of losing direct line of sight to the garden gate from my office, which is how I see people entering the garden when working, I have blatant plagiarised Mike G's design and come up with a modification.

Thoughts?





Still gives me a big machinery area, with a smaller area for bench, sharpening etc, while knocking off the corner that blocks my line of sight to the gate, and also lessens visual impact (in my view).

Cheers
Mark

 

[RogerS]

Looks good. Could you increase the height of the hedge to obscure it?

Digressing slightly, when we applied for PP many moons ago for our three-port car garage :eusa-liar: LOML happened to be working from home when this car arrived and a chap got out and started wandering about. Now bear in mind that, like you, we are pretty rural - even more so in that to get to our house is a 3/4 mile drive from the tiny unclassified road. So anyone driving up and starting to wander around unannounced gets challenged pretty swiftly.

But SWMBO, being the excellent psychologist that she is, sussed quickly that it was the man from Planning coming along to have a look. Refused all offers of tea, coffee, biscuits...very stand-offish. Started mumbling about visual impact - we are in an AONB - hedges etc and quick off the mark as ever S said 'I'm glad you mentioned that - I was in the process of faxing a proposed amendment to you to plant some hedges where you are suggesting'. To which, he replied, 'So the fax will be on my desk when I get back?'. 'Yes' says SWMBO...knowing full well that he had a quota of work to get through and that this would be an easy 'fix'. Tick box. Sign off. Job done.

Full marks to SWMBO. I'd have probably wrestled him to the ground and searched him :twisted:

Hope it goes well for you, Mark.

 

[TrimTheKing]

Cheers Roger

Yep I have already told the guy that I am planning on letting the hedgerow grow up another 500-1000mm which would completely obscure it from the roadside view. Also planning on planting wisteria next to it to, in time, soften the visual starkness of the brick too.

Mike - You mentioned a cunning roof element. Care to share when you have the time? I am thinking that a goos plan would be to have the main area full height, giving all the space required for long boards/sheets etc, but putting a ceiling in the smaller part to give the loft space and storage you mention. Is it along those lines?

Cheers
Mark

 

[9fingers]

Mark,

Has your planing officer mentioned anything about the size of the workshop and why you need is so large? If so, then changing the design as you have to be multiple but joined areas, you could dream up different applications for each.
Your point about obscuring a view from the gate would easily be fixed by a webcam/cctv mounted on the end of the workshop staring at the gateway. Many such devices are wifi now for minimum cabling.

Bob

 

[RogerS]

Mark,

Has your planing officer mentioned anything about the size of the workshop and why you need is so large? If so, then changing the design as you have to be multiple but joined areas, you could dream up different applications for each.
Your point about obscuring a view from the gate would easily be fixed by a webcam/cctv mounted on the end of the workshop staring at the gateway. Many such devices are wifi now for minimum cabling.

Bob

I'm a great believer in KISS. Nothing beats the Mk 1 eyeball

 

[Rod]

My sympathises Mark - my daughter spent 2yrs fighting with our local planners and was forced to employ Planning Specialists to win her case. They did later sue the council for incompetence and won - the Planner was quoting outdated rules - he was later "removed" from post.

I suppose the Planner is trying to save the environment - even a tiny amount?
But as everybody has said they are a law unto themselves?

I worked with Planners and Landscape Architects for many years and could never understand their logic except they are very stubborn bunch with fixed ideas which you could never change!

I also worked on the Gypsy Problem for several yrs but don't start me on that!!!

Rod

 

[TrimTheKing]

Bob, he mentioned size in general but not why I want it so big. I have tried to steal clear of using the word 'workshop' at your previous advice.

Yep have considered camera, and will definitely be adding on there for general security, but I like the fact that seeing the gate open catches my eye. Not sure whether the same movement on a small monitor scree would have the same effect.

Cheers
Mark

 

[RogerS]

Very sage advice re 'workshop'. While it was being built, I'd run two separate rings around the outside walls with many many sockets. Visit by Planning or the BCO (can't remember which) coincided with our builder being onsite and when questioned about the number of sockets he quickly answered that I was into classic cars and needed the heat! At least he got that bit right

 

[9fingers]

Bob, he mentioned size in general but not why I want it so big. I have tried to steal clear of using the word 'workshop' at your previous advice.

Yep have considered camera, and will definitely be adding on there for general security, but I like the fact that seeing the gate open catches my eye. Not sure whether the same movement on a small monitor scree would have the same effect.

Cheers
Mark

Yes well worth steering clear of the W word!

You can get movement detection software that looks for changes in the scene and attract attention or just fit a PIR sensor.

We fitted a temporary PIR to look down our driveway when our son was young. There was no obvious way of fitting a gate and it alerted us if he wandered off.
It became so useful to alert us of anyone approaching the house, that it is still in place 27 years later.
It is wired to small sounders throughout the house and out to the workshops.
Ideal when I'm the only one in.
The sounders are connected to the phone, doorbell, pir, freezer alarm and other temporary alerting devices from time to time. It has proved very useful.

Bob

 

[TrimTheKing]

Thanks Bob, now you've nicely segued into that, fancy doing a separate thread on exactly how that wiring works, devices for sounders etc? I have been looking for exactly that kind of solution to satisfy SWMBO's requirements but am not well versed enough to know what to look for. That would be a great help!

Cheers
Mark

 

[TrimTheKing]

Also, forgot to mention, I will be running loans of cabling out there from the end of the house for electrics, CAT6, CCTV etc and am planning to have the whole thing added with window/door sensors and PIR's and added as a separate zone to the house alarm.

Our house alarm is very good and has a text module attached which immediately texts me when the alarm goes off, telling me the time, date, zone and individual sensor that have been set off.

I will Still be making it as secure as possible but want to have windows etc so hopefully this will be the necessary deterrent to scrotes…

Cheers
Mark

 

[9fingers]

Thanks Bob, now you've nicely segued into that, fancy doing a separate thread on exactly how that wiring works, devices for sounders etc? I have been looking for exactly that kind of solution to satisfy SWMBO's requirements but am not well versed enough to know what to look for. That would be a great help!

Cheers
Mark

OK Will do Mark. Mine is very home made, full of 30 year old electronic technology bits but I'll look into a more modular OTS solutions where possible for some more universal appeal. It will still need a bit of techy common sense to make but hopefully most here will have that.

Bob

 

[TrimTheKing]

Cheers Bob

I'll have a think about the applications where I need it, but off the top of my head I know we want some kind of sounder to go off when the personnel gate is opened so we can hear if either the kids open the gate or someone comes in. If that could be tied into the phone system somehow then great.

Cheers
Mark

 

[9fingers]

Cheers Bob

I'll have a think about the applications where I need it, but off the top of my head I know we want some kind of sounder to go off when the personnel gate is opened so we can hear if either the kids open the gate or someone comes in. If that could be tied into the phone system somehow then great.

Cheers
Mark

My system is very "universal". I've run phone, alarm, PIR, intercom, baby monitor, RS232 Appletalk network, freezer alarm, doorbell, synthesised dog barker etc. You can add sensors for what ever you want and the 'bus' carries 12vdc to power things too. Applications are only limited by imagination and electronic skills (for the more advanced things)
It used 6 wires in a single cable - I use phone cable at the time but etherstring would do but with different connectors to avoid surprises when the wrong things get plugged in!

Bob

 

[RogerS]

Voltek have a pretty good range. They've been going for years and years. Their first system, still available and what we use is here http://www.voltek.co.uk/Security-Lighting.asp Not exactly camera oriented but a very nice system. All run on low current 12v sensors.

I did develop a security system ten years ago and even tried to patent it without success. Used the D-Link DCS 2100 and it sent a text to your phone when it detected movement. I was ahead of the curve

 

[9fingers]

LOL What was that you said earlier about KISS Roger?? :lol: :lol:

Bob

 

[Wizard9999]

Bob, he mentioned size in general but not why I want it so big. I have tried to steal clear of using the word 'workshop'

Mark

Re your original question. I have had reasonable experience of local authority planning departments, as others have said, they have been without exception nightmares. They will always quote rules and regulations, ut these are generally broad and open to interpretation, so any application seems to be down to which planner you end up with, what their personal opinions are and which side of bed they got out of in the morning.

Based on what you have said I am confident that you can get your head around the relevant policies in your local authority, you may also want to take a look at the National Planning Policy Framework - a long document but only some of it will be relevant to your situation.

If I were you I would not spend a lot of money on advisers unless your budget is very generous. I would suggest you ensure a very detailed dialogue as part of the pre-application advice phase, this will tell you what their main areas of concern are. If you think they have a point then you can modify your application to address them, if you think their points are unreasonable then stick to your guns. If the planners are trying to reject under delegated powers you should look at the local rules as to the grounds for getting this in front of the planning committee, e.g. you local councillor should be able to request it oes to committee. The you should present your case at the committee.

Make it clear at all stages to the planners that you think your application is reasonable and that you will take this to appeal if the application is rejected. If it is rejected and they have not come up with a new 'knock out punch' reason for rejection, then go to appeal. My experience is that whilst planners are very variable, appeal inspectors are much more objective and logical.

In terms of the specifics, if I understand it you have about 3 acres of land. If this is correct it does not seem unreasonable that you need storage for equipment to maintain your land, I would position the building you want permission for as being for the purpose of supporting your use of your land. Just be careful they don't give a very specific conditional consent - but then even if they do, I would guess the chances of them ever checking compliance after it is built are very, very slim, but you are taking a risk none the less. The work "outbuilding" would seem reasonable and flexible for a number of applications.

Keen to hear how things progress,
Terry.

 

[TrimTheKing]

Thanks for that Terry

I wish I had 3 acres! It's more like about 1/3 of an acre. Not much more than a decent sized garden.

As you say, I will just have to play the game. Next door managed to get a 3 bay, 2 storey garage with living accommodation to replace an approximate 12*10 shed so there is precedent there which, even if the planners don't take into account then I'm sure it will be questioned by appeal.

I'm planning that it will get rejected first off so let's see hat happens...

I'm off work this week with the kids so hope to get the application in this week,then let's see...

Cheers
Mark

 

[Wizard9999]

Thanks for that Terry

I wish I had 3 acres! It's more like about 1/3 of an acre. Not much more than a decent sized garden.

As you say, I will just have to play the game. Next door managed to get a 3 bay, 2 storey garage with living accommodation to replace an approximate 12*10 shed so there is precedent there which, even if the planners don't take into account then I'm sure it will be questioned by appeal.

Sorry, not sure where I got three acres from.

If a neighbour got consent for a triple garage with accomodation over this is very helpful. Question, was it recent / under the same local plan policies as still apply now? If it was under same policies as now then this is great news. Check the officer's delegated report or report to committee on the council website, it should go through all the relevant policies and explain why the application is consistent with each of them. Basically it will give you the arguments you need to play back to the officer dealing with your application. I would tackle it up front and raise this with the officer in pre-application discussions and if, as you say, they raise a question of amenity ask them directly why yours has this adverse impact but you neighbours building did not. You can politely explain you see your neighbour was deemed compliant and want to understand what they got right that the officer thinks you have wrong.

When you submit your application you should include a supporting letter / planning statement (this is what you £2,500 consultants would have done for you), explain which policies you believe apply and why you believe your application is not contrary to them, reference your neighbour's application and quote the officers report back to them. I have had officers tell me there is no such thing a precedent (and I understand the sins of the past should not necessarily be repeated), but if you have pointed out you are oly trying to be consistent with a past decision under the same policies an inspector will be interested in this.

Apologies if I am teaching you to suck eggs.

Terry.

 

[the bear]

Mark

Just found this thread and makes for interesting reading. I'm in the process of buying a new house in an AONB, greenbelt. No permitted development rights. I want to give the house a face lift and an extension. Plus add a workshop onto the back of the double garage so I can keep the garage as a garage. Having looked at the planning applications around there seem to be no logic in what gets passed and refused. Lots of talk about impact on the greenbelt, too bulky, even for minor work. Yet there is a massive Huf style house out the back which is much bigger than anything else.
I'm not looking forward to working with the planners I have to say, though I've already found a good couple of guys to help. But as you say, to employ advisors is not cheap.

Mark

 

[RogerS]

I might be wrong but I thought that all Planning Decisions were available as Public Record. Just a thought. For example, if the details behind the Huf house approval were available then perhaps might give an insight/grounds for your own approval.

 

[TrimTheKing]

Mark

Just found this thread and makes for interesting reading. I'm in the process of buying a new house in an AONB, greenbelt. No permitted development rights. I want to give the house a face lift and an extension. Plus add a workshop onto the back of the double garage so I can keep the garage as a garage. Having looked at the planning applications around there seem to be no logic in what gets passed and refused. Lots of talk about impact on the greenbelt, too bulky, even for minor work. Yet there is a massive Huf style house out the back which is much bigger than anything else.
I'm not looking forward to working with the planners I have to say, though I've already found a good couple of guys to help. But as you say, to employ advisors is not cheap.

Mark

Hi Mark

Yeah lots to consider and they are never very specific in their refusals etc, using, as Bob stated, 'visual impact' and 'Loss of amenity' as catch all statements.

Fortunately the planner told me which statement in the green belt policy that I would be judged on, so my plan is now to create as much visual and contextual content to send them to try and counter that argument. Along with the evidence of next doors building which IMO has much more impact than mine ever could, and hep that gets me past the post.

Should they refuse then I will need to look at Agents, but by then hopefully I will have done the bulk of the groundwork and their part would be to help with the details.

Good luck and look forward to seeing how your progress…

Cheers
Mark

 

[Wizard9999]

Mark

Mark

Just found this thread and makes for interesting reading. I'm in the process of buying a new house in an AONB, greenbelt. No permitted development rights. I want to give the house a face lift and an extension. Plus add a workshop onto the back of the double garage so I can keep the garage as a garage. Having looked at the planning applications around there seem to be no logic in what gets passed and refused. Lots of talk about impact on the greenbelt, too bulky, even for minor work. Yet there is a massive Huf style house out the back which is much bigger than anything else.
I'm not looking forward to working with the planners I have to say, though I've already found a good couple of guys to help. But as you say, to employ advisors is not cheap.

Mark

There was a policy (PPS7), superceded by the NPPF, which allowed new houses in the countryside if they were of significant architectural merit. I think it was aimed as creating the next generation of large country estates, but I seem to recall seeing one which was designed to look like a star fish, which I don't think was what they originally intended (back to subjectivity of what significant architectural merit means again). One of the builds followed on Grand designs secured consent under this policy.

Hard to see a kit house like Huf passing that test, but as Roger says, all the details should be on your local authorities website, even if it is so old the documents have not been retrosepctively uploaded you can go to the council offices and view them.

Wizard9999.

 

[the bear]

Mark/RogerS/Wizard

I've seen the Huf application on line, (though its not a true Huf house as its got less glass but the same 2 floating roof with void between) and there is a little to learn from there. That was a complete knock down and new house with a slight uplift on volume and footprint. Totally out of character in its setting in my opinion and not as good looking as a true Huf house due to way less glass. Its also much bigger than surrounding properties.
The house I am buying is in my opinion also currently out of character in its setting. Its a 60's chalet bungalow. Nearby houses are a row of 30's detached houses, traditional tile hung cottages, couple of barn conversions, a large thatched stone house. Hence I want the face lift as well as the extension to make it look like it belongs there, too much PVC and concrete at the moment for me.
In some ways the setting is good in that it is built behind other houses and not visible from the road on which its address lays. However it can be seen from another road across a small field.
I've had a couple of designers round. Not architects but do architectural drawings and building regs as well. They have their office in the next small village and know the area and planners so I think I'll be employing them from the start. Hopefully good design will help with the process and they have done another house in the road and got an uplift on volume for that so have some track record but obviously no guarantees.
My new next door neighbours had their 2 storey extension turned down a few months ago for being too bulky an the planners not liking the New England style they proposed. I would not object if they resubmitted after I moved in, it will have no impact on me, despite the planner saying it will.

Oh and did I say I want to build a big workshop as well

I have an interesting few months/years or planning ahead

Fingers crossed for both of us Mark/Trim

Mark

 

[Wizard9999]

Mark

Your post on Mike's thread got me to thinking we had heard nothing about your discussion with the local planners lately, so as to avoid this smiley - :text-threadjacked: (which I think is brilliant) thought it best not to ask the question on Mike's thread and bump yours back up to the top of the board. Any news?

Terry.

 

[TrimTheKing]

Hi Terry

I'm waiting for my tame architect to finish some of the drawing work for me. I did all mine in sketch up but then looking back through others decided it might be good to have some proper drawings too so have spent a little cash on that. Hopefully get them back next week and get the application filed then. That's when the fun begins…

Will let you know as soon as I he

Cheers
Mark

 

[Wizard9999]

I need full planning regardless (in green belt), and am putting it right next to the boundary so need building regs anyway, so took the view that I might as well go as big as I need and just suck it up.

Cheers
Mark

Mark

Sorry for poor memory resulting in stupid question. But that discussion on Mike's board prompts me to ask how planning application is going?

Terry.

 

[TrimTheKing]

Hi Terry

Been so busy with work and home life lately that it's not moved as quickly as I had hoped but last night I sent some final amendments to my architect to add to my drawings then once I get these back I hope to put the application in this week.

Just to keep the appetite whetted, here's the final sketch up view of what I'm going to submit and one I'm using to try and plan the space/layout of machinery. In total the external footprint is 37sq/m (large area 5x5, small area 4x3)





Cheers
Mark