• Hi all and welcome to TheWoodHaven2 brought into the 21st Century, kicking and screaming! We all have Alasdair to thank for the vast bulk of the heavy lifting to get us here, no more so than me because he's taken away a huge burden of responsibility from my shoulders and brought us to this new shiny home, with all your previous content (hopefully) still intact! Please peruse and feed back. There is still plenty to do, like changing the colour scheme, adding the banner graphic, tweaking the odd setting here and there so I have added a new thread in the 'Technical Issues, Bugs and Feature Requests' forum for you to add any issues you find, any missing settings or just anything you'd like to see added/removed from the feature set that Xenforo offers. We will get to everything over the coming weeks so please be patient, but add anything at all to the thread I mention above and we promise to get to them over the next few days/weeks/months. In the meantime, please enjoy!

Mike's ext'n & renovation (solar panels)

Thanks Kirk. Over here, a porch is a small entrance lobby. It's a transit point into the house, and may or may not feature a place to leave coats, boots and umbrellas, etc. It's never a place to relax or do anything other than prepare to come in or go out. It can be open or enclosed. We have no equivalent open sheltered space with furniture. I suppose the nearest we come is a verandah, which you might see very occasionally, perhaps more often at the seaside.

And yeah, it's been 9 years. Obviously the pace was pretty hot for the first two years where I worked on it full time, all day every day, but whilst there are bits left to do, the reason I was contemplating building a boat is that the end is in sight, and I'll need something else to keep myself busy.
 
You are not far off 2 million views in this thread Mike, which may well qualify you to be an "influencer" and social media star. Quite incredible for a woody site. I suppose bot hits get recorded too.
 
AJB Temple":3f9jgt6h said:
You are not far off 2 million views in this thread Mike, which may well qualify you to be an "influencer" and social media star.......

That does seem like quite a few, but to be an influencer, one needs to influence (doesn't one?). And somehow get paid.

Anyway, just to keep the social media frenzy bubbling, I have an announcement:

The answer to the 13 piece drawer front question is coming soon. Stay tuned!!

I can't imagine how you're all going to sleep.
 
Mike G":1eowpxoq said:
Anyway, just to keep the social media frenzy bubbling, I have an announcement:

The answer to the 13 piece drawer front question is coming soon. Stay tuned!!

I can't imagine how you're all going to sleep.

I certainly shan't get any sleep tonight! :)
 
Funnily enough, sometimes when my wife can't get to sleep she'll ask me to describe something I've made in the workshop. A fairly short description of the process for setting out a sliding dovetail had her snoring like a baby in no time at all a few nights ago...... :D :D
 
And Mark thinks what I said is kinky, but you have now introduced your thrilling bedtime antics with your wife. :o
 
Mike G":3ibprdtf said:
AJB Temple":3ibprdtf said:
You are not far off 2 million views in this thread Mike, which may well qualify you to be an "influencer" and social media star.......

That does seem like quite a few, but to be an influencer, one needs to influence (doesn't one?). And somehow get paid.

Anyway, just to keep the social media frenzy bubbling, I have an announcement:

The answer to the 13 piece drawer front question is coming soon. Stay tuned!!

I can't imagine how you're all going to sleep.

Wow! I’d forgotten all about that.
 
Andyp":2upje99h said:
Mike G":2upje99h said:
AJB Temple":2upje99h said:
You are not far off 2 million views in this thread Mike, which may well qualify you to be an "influencer" and social media star.......

That does seem like quite a few, but to be an influencer, one needs to influence (doesn't one?). And somehow get paid.

Anyway, just to keep the social media frenzy bubbling, I have an announcement:

The answer to the 13 piece drawer front question is coming soon. Stay tuned!!

I can't imagine how you're all going to sleep.

Wow! I’d forgotten all about that.

I hadn't, I've read the whole thread every day just in case Mike edited it and slipped in the answer :eusa-whistle: :eusa-liar: :lol:
Andy
 
I can't find it, Ian. I would have thought it would have been around here where I made the drawers for my study.
 
Mike G":2lcj0j4b said:
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And yeah, it's been 9 years. Obviously the pace was pretty hot for the first two years where I worked on it full time, all day every day, but whilst there are bits left to do, the reason I was contemplating building a boat is that the end is in sight, and I'll need something else to keep myself busy.

I know about the keeping busy part. I'm in the middle of milling a stack of poplar into blanks to be run through a friend's molder and turn into trim for the upstairs in my house. That'll be followed by ripping out the carpet and replacing it with hardwood.

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This started out as maybe a hundred-ish board feet of 5/4 poplar. Now it's...a lot less.

Yet another project that I need to start a thread on.

Kirk
 
I'm going to start in the conventional way, by showing the "after" photo first:

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That tells you everything you need to work out how I have used 13 pieces of wood to make one drawer front. If you want a few moments, I suggest pausing here, and resuming shortly once you've worked it out. :)
 
I made some drawer boxes for the 4 filing cabinet drawers. These were too deep to make out of proper wood, so I did them out of ply instead:

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One of them was going to have a bottom in it and be useable as an orthodox drawer, so I ploughed a groove with a little Record 43:

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It's only got the one blade, but it happened to be the right size. I also took a rebate off the top outside edge of the boxes, and made up an experimental section in oak:

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That seemed to work OK, so I made up enough for all the top edges, and glued them in place:

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The corners, of course, required mitres (we need a gnashing-teeth emoji):

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The open boxes got some diagonal bracing:

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On to the drawer fronts. I'm sure you've all worked it out by now. I prepared a whole lot of oak, and rough-cut them to size. I then marked out for the sliding dovetails:

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And started removing the waste:

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As always, I used an infallible depth gauge to keep my paring accurate:

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Here's a dry fit:

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The sliding dovetails were hammered home, dry, and cut off top and bottom. The dry-fitted drawer fronts were then taken in to be adjusted to fit perfectly into the opening. This involved at least 4 or 5 trips in for each of 5 drawers fronts, with about 80 metres per round trip......or about 2km of plodding back and forth to remove a shaving here and there.

Next job was to dis-assemble the dry-fitted pieces, and run a groove around for the cock beads:

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I had pre-stained the cock beads when I made them up months, if not years, ago, so they look a bit odd in this photo:

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And that photo shows you the 13 pieces involved in this one drawer front.

I then glued all the cock-beads on (without even mentioning mitre-ing once! :) ):

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Is the tape recycleable, I wonder:

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Final dry fit:

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Then a glue up, taking great care to avoid squeeze-out on the front face:

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This was a nice glue-up, in that it didn't require any clamping at all:

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Once they were dry, I routered out a detail on top inside, to allow clearance for the overhanging bit of the files (you'll see):

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Then we were into finishing. Firstly, the stain:

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Then a day later, the normal jollop:

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For the first time ever, this didn't go well. Particularly the second coat. Normally each coat dries completely in 24 hours, but this was still a bit tacky after 48 hours. I ended up wiping down thoroughly with white spirit, allowing everything to dry again, and then adding a thinner coat of the mixture for the final coat. My theory is that this was due to using some very old linseed as the oil. It was quite thick in its container. Anyway, we eventually got a finish, and moved on.

I had some cornicing to make:

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I started with planing up some off cuts, and marking out a rough profile:

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I then hogged out the waste on the router table, using the cutter which happeded to be in there:

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Before getting to work with a moulding plane:

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And finishing with sandpaper and scraper (in that order):

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I roughed off the chamfers on the bandsaw:

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Before finishing with a plane, cutting the mitrres, and gluing together ready for a finish:

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Finally, I screwed the drawer fronts into place on their boxes:

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Here's how that groove works:

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The door in this next photo (the smaller set of drawer fronts) is just standing in place awaiting the arrival of some hinges:

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Looks great Mike.

I’m glad I dipped in to take a look as I’ve been struggling with getting a sliding dovetail right this morning and your infallible depth gauge ideais going to be of great help this afternoon.

Thanks

Robert
 
As always Mike most impressive. Well that explains the bakers dozen!
I’ve never cut dovetails in ply, I bet chopping to the line (after coping?) wasn’t very pleasant. Really like the top mouldings, particularly the moulding plane work.
Good to see the files that way round, nearly everybody does it the other way as in filing cabinets, but you really didn’t want to have to get out of your chair every time to see what’s what!
Ian
 
Cabinetman":4lis7ukv said:
....I’ve never cut dovetails in ply, I bet chopping to the line (after coping?) wasn’t very pleasant....

It was awful. But as always with dovetails, the flat bit of the end grain doesn't count for much. So long as your shoulder line either side is OK, it doesn't matter much what goes on in the middle.
 
Looks excellent, Mike, even though I'm not a fan of stain. And I also like the transverse file layout.

Do you have any wood movement concerns on the drawer fronts since they're screwed to the plywood boxes?

Kirk
 
I've stored the oak inside for a year or more, Kirk. It's at 6 or 7%, so I am happy that it's not going anywhere. If it does, it will only be gaps opening up between the 3 main pieces, where you'd expect gaps anyway.
 
Brilliant. A lovely mix of power and hand work, whichever is appropriate. And a useful guide to what can be achieved.

I'm feeling a bit dim for missing your hint about the deep filing cabinet drawers to get to the 13 parts, but it's always nice to have a puzzle.

I wonder if there's a place in your house for a double margin door? I reckon you'd enjoy making one and the rest of us would enjoy watching and counting the parts!
 
Nice work as usual.

You could make bee boxes! Basically the same, complete with runners. Tried dovetailing 18mm ply when I started fitting out our kitchen and had lots of drawers to do but personally I found that it chips a bit more than I liked (or I was not skilled enough) so I did one drawer, then dominoed all the rest. If I were to do it again and had the money I would make the drawer sides out of tulipwood or something that shows off the dovetails.

The office must be nearly finished now.
 
AJB Temple":2lwfzgif said:
.....The office must be nearly finished now.

It is now:

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Just this door to fit when the hinges arrive:

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AndyT":3v5weice said:
Brilliant. ...

Thanks Andy

I wonder if there's a place in your house for a double margin door?......!

...........Mike toddles off to Duckduckgo to find out what a double margin door is.......

Luckily, all my door widths are either single or double, so I won't have the chance here.
 
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I don't know, Mike--I don't think that left wall scruffy beam goes with that lawyer's office cabinetry. Time to get the belt sander out and do come cleanup. :)

Kirk
 
It's a 300 year old cottage, Kirk. There are tons of scruffy beams, and posts, and that's not only what gives the cottage its character, they're why I'm here. To me, it's the new oak which is slightly incongruous, not the old stuff.

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Yes, definitely. :cool:

Looks like a nice peaceful place to work. What is the view like from the window?
I look straight at my garage! The other window has a view of the pond and trees across the road, with a wildflower meadow and a wood behind.
 
I look straight at my garage! The other window has a view of the pond and trees across the road, with a wildflower meadow and a wood behind.
Bad planning :)
Move the cupboards and shelves to the other wall ................................ (ok I am leaving)
 
When I'm working, Phil, I'm not meant to be gazing at the scenery......:D
 
Mike, know all about it.

This is my view on the left of my laptop through the sliding door.
Lots of distractions, takes me twice as long to write my finance report.
Lots of birds visit the birdbath.
Occasional steenbok will walk past. Duikers tend to keep to the evenings.
Banded mongoose pass occasionally. One of the parents stuck their head in by the open sliding door, not sure who got the biggest fright :)

Have to keep chasing the sparrows, doves and chats from building a nest in the ALA gutters.

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Occasional steenbok will walk past.

I once ran off the road in the Karoo and altered the shape of the car a little, in avoiding a steenbok. The person who had loaned me the car for my stay said I would have caused less damage by just hitting the bokkie, and that she might have ended up with some biltong, too. That's not my favoured approach to wildlife.
 
I once ran off the road in the Karoo and altered the shape of the car a little, in avoiding a steenbok. The person who had loaned me the car for my stay said I would have caused less damage by just hitting the bokkie, and that she might have ended up with some biltong, too. That's not my favoured approach to wildlife.

Agree, we regard ourselves as an Echo Estate.

Ok, finished hijacking your thread.
 
What is a "CCC" hinge? Is it a kind of pin as suggested in the photo above?
 
Cheap Chinese rubbish....

For instance, it wasn't supplied with screws, and none of about a dozen screw types I tried fitted without the heads protruding above the countersink. The two leaves of the hinge scissor across each other, so any protruding screw heads would stop the motion dead in its tracks. I had to deepen the countersinks, and grind down the screw heads a little.
 
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It looks like you take great pride in your work Mike, I never knew you were such a skilled craftsman until I recently took a look at your article on dovetails. I have been modenisinhg my approach to woodwork in recent years but you seem to use mainly traditional skills in your woodwork and still seem to get more done then me, so nice to see.
 
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