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I'm refinishing the kitchen and the mrs has requested that I do away with the drying rack that sits on the workbench. She wants a washer. I've bought a cheap one just incase its a fad and plumbed it in. Gave it go without reading the destructions properly. I went for the eco setting. 11/2hrs later its still swishing about. Thought I'd read the manual properly, the eco runs for 31/2hrs :oops: . That is just silly. The washer is a dinky one but its going to take a few days for us to fill it. Might have to buy more bowls or maybe have a drying rack for the odd item. :unsure:
 
We had similar issues years ago, took days to fill and all the extra cutlery and crockery required.
Gave it to son.
We have a largish plastic bowl that fits in the sink, boil some water in the kettle, wash then use drying rack or just dry off and pack away.
Only 2 of us and we both wash as required.
 
Eco programs usually spend a fair bit of it air drying and consume minimal energy. Dishwashers are fantastic and by far the best way to get glassware and flatware spotless. Use good tabs.
 
We use the eco program on our dishwasher, and the last hour of the 3h 55min (!) cycle is just drying.

You just have to be patient I guess!

It also takes us 2 - 3 days to fill the machine, and we do have a lot more crockery and cutlery than we'd need if we washed daily.
 
Same here re time and amount of crockery. You wanna see how many mugs hang on the Welsh dresser! 😁

But I'm told by SWMBO that a full machine uses less water and power to heat that water than washing and rinsing the same amount by hand. And AJBT is right, the glasses end up so much better than by hand.
 
It is also worth running the machine on the cheap rate electricity over night if yours has a programme function. Makes no odds how long that takes. We put stuff straight in the machine as soon as it has been used. Keeps the kitchen clean and hygienic.
 
Agree with all of the above.
When all 5 of us are at home we can do 2 loads in a day. We still have to wash by hand:- Decorated mugs that are not DW safe, wooden utensils, non stick frying pan,

I also have the option of turning the DW on from the other side of the world:eek:. How useful is that?
 
Just got a new dishwasher as I'm fitting a new kitchen. It opens the door itself, during the eco programme the last 1 1/4 of the nearly 4hr programme is drying with the door open. Was surprised by this time and wondered what if any power it is consuming at this stage. I'm not sure if the opening door thing is a good idea with the damp hitting the underside of the worktop though. Came with a pretty poor sticker to apply but I plan to get some epoxy that I have for something else ASAP.
 
Ours is a little over 4 hours on eco, or 1:00 on its fastest wash which is at 65deg.
The cooler longer was takes less power.

We run it overnight so it dosen't matter how long its on for.

I just need to convince the wife not to rinse all the food off the plates before she puts them in.

Pete
 
AJB Temple said:
It is also worth running the machine on the cheap rate electricity over night if yours has a programme function. Makes no odds how long that takes. We put stuff straight in the machine as soon as it has been used. Keeps the kitchen clean and hygienic.
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Same here. Most have an option to start the cycle later. We just set it to come on after midnight and then empty it in the morning. It does not matter if it took 3 or 6 hours.
 
I can delay the start for 3-6hrs but im a light sleeper and dont fancy hearing that thing. It does a 30min wash and a half load so will see how well they do. Adrian I was impressed by how sparkly the glasses came out.
A friend buys cheap ones for his workshop to clean parts in, runs them till knackered and gets another one for £50
 
I've got a German one. I can't remember if it is Bosch or Siemens. Or are they the same now?
Eco is 4:55, Express is 1hr.
It's fine when it's fine. But I regualrly have to remove seeds from the rotating arms. When they clog the holes, the dishes come out still dirty. There is no easy way to do that cleaning, it's a case of put it over the sink and rattle it back and forth until the offending detritus drops out.
It was only just out of warranty when the controller went, which I had replaced. Then shortly afterwards the pump went. I replaced that myself. But I am not impressed by the longevity. The trouble is, when you have spent a couple of hundred quid fixing a machine, when it goes again you are reluctant to just chuck it because of what you have already invested in it. It is a very unsatisfactory cycle.
As to noise, it is very quiet indeed. Although I sleep (well, try to) above the kitchen, I can barely hear it. In that respect it is excellent.
S
 
I like washing up. Mrs S adores the dishwasher. Spawn of Satan IMO.
 
AJB Temple said:
Miele. The end.
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That's what I used to believe.
We had a Miele washing machine for 16 years and our dishwasher gave up the ghost a few months ago at 19. I went to buy another and they have reduced the 10 year warranty to only 2 which shocked me. I looked hard and long at what is available, limited by my wife's insistence that it must have a separate pull out cutlery tray at the top and ended up buying a John Lewis model with 3 year warranty at half the price. Only time will tell but my research suggests the quality and service aren't as good as it once was.

As an aside I replaced the washing machine with John Lewis brand and it's been faultless so far after 4 years.
 
I'm with Lons on Miele. Based on reputation my wife insisted thats what we got 5 years ago to replace a 20 yr old bosch when we renovated the house and went from free standing to built in. Cost a lot of money but is less reliable than the bosch we had. Had to have a man out to replace something inside , I forget what but was done in the warranty period. And I get an F78 fault regularly that I clear myself. It doesn't get abused or loaded with food, and gets treated no differently to the bosch it replaced that never went wrong.
Miele, overrated, from a Miele owner.

Mark
 
You guys do not understand. :rolleyes:When you have a German wife there is no choice in these matters! :censored:
 
The domestic ones are a world away from the commercial kit. A Hobart Premax under counter machine will wash, perfectly, a tray of glasses in 30 seconds. If they are very soiled with lipstick etc it you can choose the long programme which is 180 seconds. They can be sterile, dry and back on the rack ready to use inside 5 minutes. 2.5 litres of water per wash, and automatic detergent and surfactant dosing. The only slight drawback is they are six and a half grand. Triple that for high speed Hobart through washer. Incredible performance compared to the domestic stuff we all use.
 
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It's fine when it's fine. But I regularly have to remove seeds from the rotating arms. When they clog the holes, the dishes come out still dirty. There is no easy way to do that cleaning, it's a case of put it over the sink and rattle it back and forth until the offending detritus drops out.
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It wouldn't be rocket science to design an arm with a screw cap on one end, would it? Mine's the same.
 
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Easier to remove seeds from the trap under the sink than from the holes in the DW spray arms;). Hence a quick rinse under the tap while I’m waiting for the hot water to arrive to hand wash the items that are not DW safe.
 
We had a cheap dishwasher before the current one (Beko I think, but I might be wrong). It used to make me swear a lot as it was quite common for things to come out dirtier than they went in. It packed up a few months after the warranty expired. I think it would have been relatively straightforward to repair but I decided it really wasn't worth it and bought a Miele one instead. It cost a lot, but I've never regretted the expense as it just works, regardless of what we put in it.
 
AJB Temple said:
The domestic ones are a world away from the commercial kit. A Hobart Premax under counter machine will wash, perfectly, a tray of glasses in 30 seconds. If they are very soiled with lipstick etc it you can choose the long programme which is 180 seconds. They can be sterile, dry and back on the rack ready to use inside 5 minutes. 2.5 litres of water per wash, and automatic detergent and surfactant dosing. The only slight drawback is they are six and a half grand. Triple that for high speed Hobart through washer. Incredible performance compared to the domestic stuff we all use.
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Yes but that's not really relevant Adrian as I'd suggest that very few domestic kitchens can accommodate or indeed the owners justify / afford a commercial version
For £6500 you could replace the one I bought every 3 years (at the end of warranty), a total of 17 times over a period of 50 years. :ROFLMAO:

As far as Miele is concerned we were nailed on converts though thinking back both the dishwasher and washing machine were repaired under warranty a couple of times which is one of the reasons the current offering of only 2 years is disturbing. They presumably don't have the confidence in their product that they had in the past. As with any make of almost any item there are good and bad experiences and I find if you recommend something it's possibly sod's law that they'll get a bad one. :unsure:
 
Well, I never claimed a relevant direct comparison. It was more a "you get what you pay for remark". We've been buying Miele stuff: dishwashers, washing machines and tumble dryers for 30 years and never had a failure. Different houses so had a few. Personally I think the brand is excellent. But YOMV.
 
John Lewis. I bought a tumble drier. It stopped working. It was taken away (for rather longer than I had hoped), but was repaired under warranty.
It failed again. I rang JL at 4.50 on a Friday.

"Well, we need to sort this, don't we? Today is the last day of your warranty".

They replaced it with a new one.

Nuffsed.
S
PS Yes, I know it's not Miele, but Miele was out of my price bracket and this was a zillionth of the price.
 
AJB Temple said:
Well, I never claimed a relevant direct comparison. It was more a "you get what you pay for remark". We've been buying Miele stuff: dishwashers, washing machines and tumble dryers for 30 years and never had a failure. Different houses so had a few. Personally I think the brand is excellent. But YOMV.
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I read it as a comparison otherwise why post it as a "get what you pay for" could only be between brands aimed at the domestic kitchen in this case. Might as well draw a comparison between a Rolls Royce and a Lada. :ROFLMAO:

I wasn't trying to knock Miele, as I said we had their machines for years and I gave my reasons for moving away from them but like yours it's only opinion based on personal experience.
 
Years ago my mother turned up and said she'd bought me a present - a spare washing machine (as you do). A Creda, it was like new, she'd paid £20 for it in an auction. OK, I thought, but why do we need a "spare" washing machine. We had a basement at the time so installed it there. It was brilliant, for years all the long washes were done in it, the dog's stuff, all my working clothes. It was very useful in winter days of fine weather, we could get backlogs of washing done with two machines running in a day. It never went wrong, we left it here when we moved as we didn't have room for two.

From what I've read, Miele are the only manufacturer that still uses replaceable drum bearings - we had a 15 month old Hi Sense scrapped because it needed a new drum.
 
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