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I have an old Canon 400d, well past it's sell by date but I bought it new and have several lenses so it occasionally comes out of the bag. I hauled it around RSA, Oz and all the other long hauls, got some great 'photos and used it a couple of nights ago to photograph the hares in our garden only to find there is a dead straight fine horizontal line, probably 1 pixel across every photo. These were taken through a d/g window but it's nothing to do with that either.

I've eliminated the usual, it's not the lens, memory card and done the in camera sensor cleaning etc. (haven't manually cleaned it), it's nothing in the settings and firmware up to date, same if I shoot in RAW so not a software conversion bug so I'm pretty sure in my own mind it's a sensor fault especially as the line is in the same place on every 'photo. I've cropped the last photo.

I'll drop into a camera shop later in the week but if it's the sensor it's not worth the repair cost so I'll look at maybe a newer body to accept the lenses. I'm not an enthusiast in any way as I use my 'phone now for most pics would don't want to give up the option of the DSLR or start down a different path or brand.

Opinions welcome before I take it in.

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Being a dead straight single pixel line, I'd be surprised if that's anything other than a sensor fault or sensor connection issue. It could be a poor solder connection to one pin on the sensor (whichever one corresponds to that line), which might be solvable with a soldering iron but I'd be surprised if it's easy to get at the PCB in order to try reflowing the solder joints.
 
The line looks like a sensor problem since you ruled out JPEG/RAW formats and the card. The 400d model is 20 years old this month and had a two year production run. The 450d replaced it in 2008.

It is unlikely that any Canon repair facility will have access to spare parts. Even if you were lucky enough to find a shop that had a spare sensor gathering dust on a shelf, the cost to replace it would likely exceed the cost of a used replacement body.

I sold all of my pro Nikon equipment in 2017 after the photography muse left me. I bought a Sony A7II and a few prime lenses to replace it, but have only taken it out of the bag twice. I use my iPhone for all of my photography needs now.
 
Yeah I don't know why I posted really as I'm already pretty sure it's not viable to fix but I'll take it in anyway as might get a discount on something if I decide to buy a body, especially if I include the kit lens which I never use as my go to lens is a reliable if unexciting 18 - 200 IS zoom. I bought the camera in 2007.

My granddaughter has recently bought a mint used 1200D from the shop complete with kit lens, bag etc for £180. If i decide to just not bother I'll give the lenses and some other stuff to her and sell the rest as spares.
 
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I was totally looking at the wrong part of Bob's images and didn't realise it was the thin black line - I was distracted with the blurry/smear bits which I initially thought was the issue caused by reflections on the glass.


That looks a bit like a smear of some sort Bob... if so, the sensor clean via the camera menu won't clean it away.

Hope you don't mind (🙏) but I ran this through Google from doing the sensor clean "in camera" and also Google mentioned a "wet clean" using swabs. I'm guessing you haven't tried a wet clean?

These are screen grabs (photos) of my 'conversation' - along with responses to additional questions put forward by Google. To me it looks 'blue'ish' in colour and also 'blurry' - hence the replies along those lines.

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If you're not willing to dry to do the wet clean someone at the camera place probably will. It's worth asking before discarding the camera body.
 
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Thanks Frank

I haven't tried a wet clean and won't bother at this stage as I'm almost 100% certain it's a sensor pixel issue. The line is fine and distinct not at all blury and having done a little research since I first posted it's not an uncommon fault. Apparently one of the reasons can be if someone photographs a laser light show, I haven't but one of those things and it is almost 20 years old. I doesn't have a huge shutter count but has been lugged around thousands of miles of bush, coasts and mountains in very hot conditions.

The guy in the shop will almost certainly agree in which case it's not economical even if possible to repair, so I won't. If I end up actually scrapping it I'll carry out an autopsy just out of interest to examine it's internals.

Thanks for looking anyway.
 
I’d have thought a secondhand replacement body could be had for not much money.
London camera exchange used to be very good.
 
Definitely the sensor, probably not worth fixing unfortunately.

MBP are good for second hand cameras

Pete
 
I’d have thought a secondhand replacement body could be had for not much money.
London camera exchange used to be very good.
My thoughts exactly Lurker and London Camers have a branch in Gosforth, Newcastle which is where I intended to go first and Wex have a branch 5 minutes from them. I sometimes meet up for a coffee with the my old golfing mates on a friday and they're very close to the golf club.

I hadn't heard of MBP Pete but will look them up. (y)
 
Bob - I can second the suggestion of MPB, I’ve bought and sold several cameras from them over the past few years and they are very good. I’d stay away from places such as WEX and LCE as they are rather more expensive for second hand gear.

I’ve had a quick look at their current stock and they have a Canon 5d mk2 in good condition for £204. I had one of these (bought new) about 12 years ago and it’s an enthusiast model (as opposed to beginner). It’s full frame and will take all of your EF lenses. Although it has a number of different creative modes you can just stick it on auto and it will produce excellent images.
 
Thanks Frank

I haven't tried a wet clean and won't bother at this stage as I'm almost 100% certain it's a sensor pixel issue. The line is fine and distinct not at all blury and having done a little research since I first posted it's not an uncommon fault. Apparently one of the reasons can be if someone photographs a laser light show, I haven't but one of those things and it is almost 20 years old. I doesn't have a huge shutter count but has been lugged around thousands of miles of bush, coasts and mountains in very hot conditions.

The guy in the shop will almost certainly agree in which case it's not economical even if possible to repair, so I won't. If I end up actually scrapping it I'll carry out an autopsy just out of interest to examine it's internals.

Thanks for looking anyway.
Sorry Bob... I hadn't realised it's that thin black line isn't it - not the 'blue'ish blurry 'smear' type bits I'm seeing... Doh 🤦. That line hadn't stood out to me... Maybe I should edit my post - and delete all those photos as they're not of any use... Sorry that I'd not seen the thin black line and it was the other bits that hot my attention. Obviously now I realise it's the glass... 😟
 
Bob - I can second the suggestion of MPB, I’ve bought and sold several cameras from them over the past few years and they are very good. I’d stay away from places such as WEX and LCE as they are rather more expensive for second hand gear.

I’ve had a quick look at their current stock and they have a Canon 5d mk2 in good condition for £204. I had one of these (bought new) about 12 years ago and it’s an enthusiast model (as opposed to beginner). It’s full frame and will take all of your EF lenses. Although it has a number of different creative modes you can just stick it on auto and it will produce excellent images.
Thanks Nick I've had a quick look at all three websites. My son had a 5D and took some superb 'photos with it, he had it stolen from his car along with some pro L lenses and other stuff in manchester.
I didn't think the 5D acceptes EF-S lenses which is what mine are but probably wrong so i go and do a bit of research. My son is off on his jollies today so probably won't read any message I send.

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Just googled it and it doesn't so that's a shame as I would have been sorely tempted.
 
The world has moved on. We have various full frame and L lenses, but for the type of photography we need now - which is videos and stills for Insta, FB and YT, (basically vlogging) just gone over to just released DJI 4P for about £600 including mic kits, tripod, battery handle etc. This does fully stabilised flim quality 4k video on the fly for £600. An earlier model almost as good, is £300 ish with all the extras. Auto fast upload to internet, pro sound, easy to edit, discreet, walk around. I would personally not bother with a DSLR, especially mirrored, at all these days.
 
The world has moved on. We have various full frame and L lenses, but for the type of photography we need now - which is videos and stills for Insta, FB and YT, (basically vlogging) just gone over to just released DJI 4P for about £600 including mic kits, tripod, battery handle etc. This does fully stabilised flim quality 4k video on the fly for £600. An earlier model almost as good, is £300 ish with all the extras. Auto fast upload to internet, pro sound, easy to edit, discreet, walk around. I would personally not bother with a DSLR, especially mirrored, at all these days.
You might not but I will keep my lenses and buy a DSLR thanks but no thanks. ;)
 
Thanks Roger, all isn't lost and I'm not in any hurry so that's certainly a temporary solution. (y)

As I said in my initial post I want to keep my lenses if I buy a new camera so definitely tied in to Canon systems that accept EF-s without adapters and not interested at all in alternative systems.
 
The world has moved on. We have various full frame and L lenses, but for the type of photography we need now - which is videos and stills for Insta, FB and YT, (basically vlogging) just gone over to just released DJI 4P for about £600 including mic kits, tripod, battery handle etc. This does fully stabilised flim quality 4k video on the fly for £600. An earlier model almost as good, is £300 ish with all the extras. Auto fast upload to internet, pro sound, easy to edit, discreet, walk around. I would personally not bother with a DSLR, especially mirrored, at all these days.
you might not, but there are many good reasons to continue with DSLRs and even mirrored ones.
I have bodies from the Nikon Z (mirrorless) range as well as my main shooting still being on the Nikon D850 which is probably still the best camera body they ever built.

I wouldn't be catching an image like this on the DJI - however good it is at vlogging!

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Actually I agree Alasdair up to a point. It's why we still have our L lenses etc. If we went travelling round Japan or Norway again, I would take the full frame kit, but it is so heavy and bulky to carry around. We did buy an early iteration of the 5DIV in mirrorless which was excellent, but it was stolen from a hotel room in Venice along with a good lens attached. Insurance paid, but I've never replaced it. My wife uses the 5DIII for macro photos quite a lot, either with a 100mm macro lens or the fixed 80mm (1.4 or 1.2 I think).

But for most people a good vlogging gimbal camera at 4K is better than a cheap DSLR and better than an iPhone 17. Much more convenient and very easy to use.
 
Actually I agree Alasdair up to a point. It's why we still have our L lenses etc. If we went travelling round Japan or Norway again, I would take the full frame kit, but it is so heavy and bulky to carry around. We did buy an early iteration of the 5DIV in mirrorless which was excellent, but it was stolen from a hotel room in Venice along with a good lens attached. Insurance paid, but I've never replaced it. My wife uses the 5DIII for macro photos quite a lot, either with a 100mm macro lens or the fixed 80mm (1.4 or 1.2 I think).

But for most people a good vlogging gimbal camera at 4K is better than a cheap DSLR and better than an iPhone 17. Much more convenient and very easy to use.

But the whole point of my original post and the thread was regarding a fault with my current Canon DSLR camera.
I said very clearly I "don't want to give up the option of the DSLR or start down a different path or brand." but you either didn't take that in or just ignored it and posted opinion that had absolutely nothing to do with my question.

Note that every other reply apart from yours did address my issue and my response to you was careful and measured considering that I really don't like you as you well know and I could have been very abrupt.

I largely ignore your posts and very rarely read your threads so please for the sake of avoiding argument don't reply to mine and I'll continue to do the same for yours. I have absolutely no interest in your opinions or circumstance and am sure you feel the same.

The ignore button doesn't work, I've tried but you post so much **** it makes some of the threads nonsensical.
 
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just buy another 400D body to replace it that's what I'd do if you can't get it fixed, if you want to go full-frame the old 5D mk1 is very cheap thesedays, highly recommended from me, ignore the mirrorless crowd, it's not worth the extra money.
 
just buy another 400D body to replace it that's what I'd do if you can't get it fixed, if you want to go full-frame the old 5D mk1 is very cheap thesedays, highly recommended from me, ignore the mirrorless crowd, it's not worth the extra money.

Yes that's what I'm looking at as it can't be an economical fix even if possible. There are loads of 400D bodies around for £30-£40 but at 18 to 20 years old getting a good one might be a lottery
I'm seriously thinking I might just spend more and get a much better camera as long as I can use my existing lenses which are EF-S so unfortunately whilst I'd get a 5D in a heartbeat they don't fit.

My current preference is a 7d or even better a 90D from a dealer so at least some comeback and my son is a camera geek so he can help but I'd have to check if I have enough brownie points to get that past SWMBO without threat of divorce. I' must be close to having enough with a bit of luck. ;)
 
Horses for courses Bob... as you're 99% looking at getting a replacement - AND wanting to keep/use the glass you have - I (**personally, if in your position) would NOT be ruling out the mirrorless bodies *and getting an adaptor* to be able to use the old glass. If there's any camera stores near you go and handle a few and compare how they feel in *your* hands... Mirrorless Canon body my not feel right but don't just dismiss them - all the brands have come a long way since you got that one.

**The reason for not ruling out the mirrorless:
My son has Nikon cameras - recommended by a professional photographer friend. D800 E, D500, an astrophotography adapted D810 and, now, a Z8. I've mentioned him/his Flickr page here before and linked to it in previous comments elsewhere in the Forum.

Why the Z8?
The lad had an accident with the D810, adapted for astrophotography by a company in the USA. Couldn't get Nikon UK to fix it and was pretty adamant he wanted another 'old' DSLR model - D850 maybe, astrophotography adated - wasn't going to go mirrorless. As Nikon couldn't fix it - no parts available - they offered him some credit to use against another camera. He chose the Nikon Z8, with adaptor, to use his existing lenses. Pleased as punch with it.
 
I'd like to applaud the contributions addressing Bob's original musings. This is a helpful forum.
Absolutely Sam, I'm grateful as it's confirmed what I suspected and focussed my thinking a bit (pun intended, yeah coat time. )
 
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Thanks Frank (y)

I did look at the M models when I had itchy fingers just before Covid and wasn't keen M50 I think. I felt light and flimsy though I'm sure it's not. I also handled an R6 which the dealer said was new in and interesting as full frame but a bit spendy then and I don't really like adapters, especially third party brands. Just a personal thing. I'll look at everything suitable when I go in so certainly not a completely closed mind but neither am I going to go down the rabbt hole of lenses if Im not happy with an adapter. As I said of most interest at the minute is the 7D and 90D in good condition and low shutter count.
 
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I'm sure you'll find something suitable for "you" Bob - that's the main thing. It really depends what you want to - intend to - use it for at the end of the day.

Although a great deal has changed over the years since Covid - those you toyed with pre Covid have since been replaced/updated - there are still good "old" camera bodies out there capable of a great deal.

I've still got my Nikon D810, don't use it as much as I should do... seem to not have the right lens attached to it at the time of seeing something that needs capturing - and needing to have to use a tripod more 🙃😉.
 
Yes it's like TVs computers and anything technical Frank they're outdated as soon as you buy them. It's all about the right fit then the best deal for the product chosen.

The camera shops are near some car dealers so I might might go in there as well and come out as usual shaking my head muttering "how much" :ROFLMAO:
 
... and the way their *value* drops as soon as you walk out of the camera shop - or car showroom and drive off the forecourt... 😕
 
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I ended up using Canon "accidentally", around 20 years ago, when most of my Pentax kit was stolen, including the digital body.

The insurance replacement was a 30D, and I think it was probably the nicest to use of the three Canon bodies I've owned, because it was straigthforward. But the sensor became very noisy, and I longed for a full-frame body, too.

I replaced it with a 6D, eventually running Magic Lantern (open-source 3rd party firmware). It was OK to use and I got some nice shots with it.

I finally upgraded in 2024 to a mirrorless R6 Mk2. I have to use all my old EF lenses with an adaptor, but they still work well. It is, however, really complex, and I frequently find that key functions are buried down in the menu structure, unhelpfully. There are also too many controls for my right hand, especially ones that should need a thumb to operate them. My thumb cannot do this properly, and many shots have been missed, simply because of fumbling about. Compared to the original 30D, the camera also eats batteries, adding to the weight of kit I need to lug about.

So, to the important choice: lenses. I only have three in regular use. The zoom is a 'professional' 24-105 (RF f/4 IS), and my wide is a fully manual Laowa 15mm f/2 with an RF mount. I've kept my EF Canon 300 f/4, with a 2x converter and an EF-to-RF adaptor. The 300 is great, and even adequate for a lot of candid stuff, and wildlife point-and-shoot applications. It cost thousands less than the f/2.8 version, but the image quality is excellent, and it's a delight to use - one that Canon got right. It also holds its value on the secondhand market (not that I'll ever sell it!).

Based on only the 24-105, I have to say though that I don't like the RF lenses: cheapness shines out of it, and optically it's not all that good for quite a lot of extra money over the 'consumer' lens. It's basically the EF version reworked into an unnecessarily big body (the RF format should allow lenses to be physically smaller..

It also has an infuriating third ring, that can be defined in firmware. Initially, I thought, "Hooray! I can have an aperture ring back!" Yes, it will do this, or several other functions, but it's in the wrong place on the lens, it cannot be easily felt with fingertips (there are no click stops either), and the lens hood (when stored backwards) actually covers it up. So it's a gimmick.

In contrast, the Laowa 15mm is an absolute delight, and complements the mirrorless camera body really well. The camera will do 'focus peaking', which was a feature found originally only on broadcast TV cameras, and is a focusing aid in the viewfinder (DSLRs cannot do this in stills mode, but some can in video). When the lens is fitted, the camera defaults to peaking (it thinks there's no lens fitted at all!), which makes focusing very easy indeed. ObviousIy I love using it.

I was nervous about mirrorless. On balance, I like it, now I've got used to it. Focus peaking especially is very useful, so is the ability to see the 'taking aperture' in the viewfinder, and other handy stuff like a built in 'spirit level'. Also helpful is the 2 second delay timer - push the shutter first, then concentrate on holding the camera still! Lots of landscape photography needs long exposures, and sometimes I can't use a tripod.

But as a general rule though, the viewfinder tends to be a bit cluttered, with many silly icons I can't turn off (some, OK, but not all of them). 90% of my photography is in aperture-priority or manual modes, so there's a limit to what I need to see on-screen.

I haven't played much with the video side, but I have had good results with it. The body is in the semi-pro category, and has a bunch of features which actually do add value in this area, including a clever (undocumented!) ability to jam-sync timecode (invaluable for multi-camera use).

Given my age and funds, the R6 Mk2 is likely a forever purchase. I can live with it, but if someone let me go back in time to my Pentax LX and bulk-loaded film etc. I'd probably enjoy my photography more! It's telling that neither of my favourite lenses are current Canon RF-series ones.

Replacement choices for the 400D

I agree with others: the 7D was an excellent model. It would fit the bill. It's classed as semi-professional and was very popular for video use (amongst Canon users). If you want to go full-frame, the 6D is nice and pretty straightforward, and inexpensive secondhand. Anything in the 5D series is also very good, but heavier and bulkier (that puts me off - one reason for my choice of the R6 II was its 'compact' size).

The other thing is the range of lenses available: Canon has tried to lock down the recent RF mount system as much as possible. I didn't know at the time, but it seems that my Laowa 15mm is one of the few 3rd party lenses available in the RF mount. That's probably because it has zero electronics within! In contrast there's plenty of choice in the older EF mount, you can use them on an R-series body (with an adaptor) too.

Buying digital secondhand isn't the nightmare it was. Yes there's eBay, but there are also other decent camera shops like MPB (online) and Wex (my camera came from them), both of whom will warrant the secondhand stuff they sell. Browsing MPB, in particular, will give you a good idea of prices.

And keep your lenses! Two reasons: you're used to them, and if, like me, you're fussy abut the glass, they're a known quantity. That said, in EF there are some excellent Sigma and Tamron lenses (my previous ultra-wide was a Sigma 12-24 EF zoom), and they're available secondhand at quite modest cost now. If you stick with EF, there's a lot of prime lenses out there with excellent performance (even some of Canon's range!!), at modest cost. I even have "naughty" adaptors to let me use my old Pentax K-series lenses on Canon EF bodies (you can do this with the EF mount but mounts from other camera manufacturers are smaller diameter, so an adaptor cannot be fitted).

One word of caution regarding zooms: even though manufacturers can now grind aspherical surfaces fairly easily, zooms remain hard to make, especially in shorter focal lengths. That's if you want optical quality.

There's two trade-offs: Firstly, aperture - zooms are usually slow lenses - they have to be (it's almost a law!). A 'fast' zoom (heading towards f/2.8 or faster) WILL be optically poor when wide open, and have 'quirks' over its zoom range. Secondly, whilst it's possible to have zooms with a huge range of focal length, they're usually both optically pretty poor and need a lot of moving elements within them (thus tend to be big and heavy). There are many cheaper and lighter weight forms of male jewellery available, such as gold bullion.

I note in passing that a sports 20:1 (or even 100:1) zooom lens for TV can cost $100k. Most TV companies rent. The reason is the low production volumes and the sheer difficulty of making the optics work*.

I hope the above is helpful. Wander around the MPB site and see what you can find...

E.

*Zoom tracking, meaning the lens staying in sharp focus whilst being zoomed, is essential for TV lenses. It's extremely hard to do with extreme-range zooms, which means a lot of fast glass, a physically huge lens package, and a mortgage. Stills cameras 'cheat', by grabbing autofocus just before firing the shutter, so stills zooms don't have to track in the same way. It makes them loads cheaper.
 
Thanks Eric, I found that both informative, useful so no need to say..........

[The on-topic bit is at the bottom...]
;):ROFLMAO:

I'm not a full on enthusiast in any way these days as I've got lazy and use my 'phone most of the time also my wife won't travel now so our extensive long haul days are over which is when I always regained my enthusiasm. the issue with that is when I haven't used the camera for a while I have to think hard to remember how to do it. :rolleyes: Buried settings would annoy me. It's one of the reasons I haven't swapped my car as the trend towards scrolling through menues instead of buttons for the simplest of tasks is irritating and dangerous.

As I said earlier I handled an R6 just before Covid so that would have been the early model presumably and I haven't seen the MK2. I instinctively have never liked the use of an adapter ring between lens and camera, have used a couple a very long time ago so of course whatever experience I had is now dated also I don't have any EF lenses now just EF-S.

I've spent all week on the camera sites and even done a comparison chart of a couple and as is per usual the budget is increasing by the day but I have to be sensible that it's a head over heart choice. What drew me to the R6 originally is that it's full frame and I could possible get one, maybe Mk1 for similar or little more than a 90D and I'll certainly be taking my time and want to handle them in store. There's a Wex and London caamera shop within easy reach as well as others not too far away.

I would definitely have a 5D even though old tech as I handled my sons before it was stolen and loved it however that's an expensive rabbit hole I'm not willing to go down because there's no way I can use my lenses and I really can't afford a divorce. :oops:

So current, which could very likely change is between a 7D and a 90D, the latter on paper being superior but there's a price difference. I'm not in any hurry, might get into the shops on Friday which will hopefully focas my thoughts though it's just as likely to make me start all over again.
 
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You _might_ find s/h full-frame lenses for a reasonable price. I wanted full-frame for several reasons:

1. I do 360 panoramas sometimes. The extra image area means fewer frames are necessary, or, as presently, I can use the same number but a longer focus lens - used to use 12mm (12-24mm zoom at the wide end), now use a 15mm prime. Both work out to 32 frames per pano (3x10 rings plus zenith, and nadir frames to hide the tripod!).
2. I like the effect of a faster lens for portraiture (bokeh). Technically this is NOT affected by image area, but in practice you can make better use of bokeh (and lenses don't need to be as fast).
3. Short focal length is optically the most difficult to make. For a given angle of view, a full-frame image requires a lens 1.6x longer in focal length (so will have fewer and probably less annoying aberrations). Not necessarily cheaper, but better.
 
I have a canon Eos-1 d mk3, I had to look that up I don’t get the canon numbering system.
Nikon the least decimal places the more pro the camera is, one thing I like is all Nikons have the switch in the same place near the shutter button, canon its somewhere on the camera and you will need two hands to turn it on not one finger.
I am doing a 365 with my D800 and lensbaby sweet 35, I should have used my D850 but the D800 doesn’t get much use since the D850 arrived.

I have a EF 28mm on the canon which is nice but it doesn’t get a lot of use, I guess I have too many cameras.

Pete
 
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You _might_ find s/h full-frame lenses for a reasonable price.

Don't start Eric. :ROFLMAO: Expensive rabbit hole is what I think I said. ;) I already get the raised eyebrows when she sees how many tools, fly rods, 3D printer etc. are around and the savings on giving up golf have long been forgotten and I daren't mention cars. :rolleyes:
 
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