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MS Office Home & Student, 365??

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Just spent all morning sorting out a problem where to save an MS file in word or excel I was being told to activate MS Office 365. I've been using home and student single use since Nov 2024 no discernable reason I could see why I should suddenly be asked to activate 365.
My MS account confirmed I had a licence for single use.

To solve I had to remove all MS Office apps, then download and reinstall again. Now working normally.
 
I've distanced myself from such puzzles for a long while, but my first thought is that you were being "encouraged" to save into a folder on OneDrive, not to your local hard drive, and that the built-in expectation was that you'd want to use the subscription service in future. Worth checking for that, maybe.
 
Not at all Andy. I've never used one drive. The two save options either in the file drop down or the save icon bought up the activate and subscribe to 365.. I can't recall doing anything to cause this although we've had no end of Internet outages, router reboots and engineers resets over the past week.
 
Software updates happen without you having to do anything explicitly and MSFT are increasingly driven to hard sell you on cloud subscriptions.
 
Software updates happen without you having to do anything explicitly and MSFT are increasingly driven to hard sell you on cloud subscriptions.
Mmmmm…. I wonder if that only happens in PC’s. I’m not aware of any automatic update in a Mac unless previously authorised
 
I've distanced myself from such puzzles for a long while, but my first thought is that you were being "encouraged" to save into a folder on OneDrive, not to your local hard drive, and that the built-in expectation was that you'd want to use the subscription service in future. Worth checking for that, maybe.

I run 365, which is becoming expensive.
Any 'Save As' in word, excel or power point always defaults to one drive.
Been caught a couple of times when I could not find the files on laptop. Have to remember to select local folder.

SoftMaker power point is not as good as MS, word and excel are 'ok'.
(I have the free download. Get spammed by their e-mail to purchase full package)
 
Mmmmm…. I wonder if that only happens in PC’s. I’m not aware of any automatic update in a Mac unless previously authorised
Apologies for the confusion. You do have to accept automatic updates at some point, but easy to do in a moment of weakness. Even if you enable auto updates, they’re not fully hidden on Mac. You may still notice Microsoft auto updates happening on Mac because of the separate update window, but it’s also easy to miss when a particular update happens if you have a lot of windows open, switch quickly between, and have the habit of quickly dismissing stuff that gets in your way.
 
I've been free of Micro$oft software for getting on for two decades now. Linux and LibreOffice serve my needs, with a bit of Google stuff, too, so things like diary entries can be shared.

I can't understand why people still put up with it, especially since Micro$oft was an early adopter of the "you can rent it, but never own it" marketing approach around 15 years ago.
 
Also have Libre Office on the Mac, must, have been a good reason for getting MS Office, can’t remember what it was now.
 
Hmm. I've tried Libre Office, the Mac wp software and various other things but Word is just better for document production and sharing unfortunately. Each time I steel myself to dump it, I end up coming back as it is very well written WP software. Likewise Excel. I dislike Microsoft but it's hard to avoid in business.
 
Also have Libre Office on the Mac, must, have been a good reason for getting MS Office, can’t remember what it was now.
Just been reminded. Mrs P uses Excel all day at work and being as she cooks the books at home too just could not get on with Libre Office
 
Just been reminded. Mrs P uses Excel all day at work and being as she cooks the books at home too just could not get on with Libre Office
Fair enough.

Historical note: Microsoft originally bought Excel - they didn't write it themselves, and it is excellent. I'm not saying LibreOffice is better but it is good enough, and my go-to for slightly more complex formatting. I also use Google sheets, because of its simplicity and wide compatibility.

I'd like to use Word of old (before menus were replaced by ribbons, and after that scurrilous paperclip was thrown in the bin), but again LibreOffice's Writer serves, and I use Scribus for book typesetting in any case... And a nifty little thing called "bookletimposer" for small leaflets etc. (works from PDF files).

By the way, LibreOffice Writer usually opens Word files with no dramas, and vice versa.
 
All very reasonable Eric, but no one cares about who wrote software really and if you have done 3 decades using Word in business, then it is second nature in use. I've used Pages and Libre and a few others but Word is quick, flexible and syncs very well (far better than Libre) across multiple Macs.

Excel likewise. I'm not a fan, but frankly life is too short to bother trying to learn anything else when the whole business world uses MS office. Trapped I know, but past caring.
 
Another issue is that Excel uses VBA code which is essential to get the most out of Excel, Libre uses something similar but is it compatable with existing Excel workbooks ?
My guess is probably not, but then VBA has been inconsistent with itself (between different releases) down the years. That said, it's a very long time since I did any serious VBA, and that was mostly within MS Access (Access was very good, but also very quirky).

Access and MS Project are the two things that might get me to use Windows again sometime (I haven't yet found an easy RDB front end for Linux - MySQL is fine as the back-end but I really struggle with LibreOffice Base, and I'm too old/lazy to hand-code web apps anyway), and it's a long time since Microsoft 'repositioned' Project such that it's unaffordable for non-professional use.

I used to love using Sound Forge for audio editing and Vegas for video (I still think both are best in class over >30 years - Audacity is an annoying toy in comparison to SF, but I have yet to try Blackmagic video software). I am getting a smart new PC for Christmas, which should let me experiment with some of the 'more heavyweight' media applications for Linux, and possibly even run SF in a VM or using Wine. Sketchup 2015 runs well, and meets my need for 3D modelling presently.

My Windows enthusiasm dimmed (and finally went out) when I left a big US company and started having to pay for my own hardware and licences at full rate, and no longer had a support desk and programmers that I could pester for help when necessary.

I also love the fact that Linux is really flexible with hardware, and I rarely if ever have to deal with the "Xxx is no longer supported" issue. For example, my main printer is a (literally) 30-year-old HP laser, because it takes a ream in one gulp, has three paper trays, prints A3 and has a duplexer and will do fairly thick card too. It also has a decent RAM buffer on a memory card and a fairly fast network card. Under Linux it just works, consistently, even though I can't update its built-in Postscript interpreter. That printer will probably outlast me: it started jamming when duplexing recently - about 40 minutes with cotton buds and IPA, and it's now running faultlessly again. I think the most recent prior cleaning was probably 10 years ago. I also refill its toner cartridges with generic black dust and they've lasted, too. Presently, both the iPad and my Android tablet print to it via a linux print server, to take care of encryption issues caused recently by Google and Apple.

The other big thing that's hugely helpful is that I use a Wacom "Intuos" graphics tablet instead of a mouse on my main PC. The tablet's driver is in the main Linux distribution, and it's scriptable. My Intuos has nine buttons and a scrollwheel as well as a stylus (with effectively three buttons and an eraser), and I can script these to work exactly as I wish (and the code is really simple). For example when hand-coding, I have an entire, empty, web page set up on one of the static buttons, also some other common bits of code, so one click saves a lot of typing. I also use the tablet 'left-handed' (i.e. upside-down), and that's a simple toggle. There's really no complexity required, and I even get pressure sensitivity when it's driving GIMP and Darktable (for photo editing).

The stylus thing is a real biggie, as I can't tolerate use of a mouse for long periods because of deformed fingers. I can go all day with a stylus though, and Wacom stuff has been superb (Samsung uses Wacom's tech in their 'Tab' series of stylus-driven Android tablets).

E.
 
My Windows enthusiasm dimmed (and finally went out) when I left a big US company and started having to pay for my own hardware and licences at full rate, and no longer had a support desk and programmers that I could pester for help when necessary.
Exactly my reason too, 30 years with ICL/Fujitsu* with IT dept on call 24/7 led me down the Mac route for home computing.



*I had nothing to do with Horizon.
 
Ok, not a high-jack ............................ ;)

I want to use some AI software to manipulate photos, mainly for scroll saw patterns.
Nano Banana wants a subscription.
Anything else? I did Google, not much success.
 
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