Remember these trigger operated shears?

[toolsntat]

https://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/threads/my ... rs.104529/

Well....

I'm not sure how much can be read into this bit of information but food for thought.

Using Google lens to read the makers mark it gives a result of FECTER which may or may not be correct?
The surname FECTER is listed as meaning one who fought in duels.


https://www.houseofnames.com/fecter-family-crest
Fecter Name Meaning, Family History, Family Crest & Coats of Arms

They have jokingly been referred to as "Duelling scissors" in a previous conversation,... really?

The position of the "T" might be a bit too far to the left to be correct and I think it could be a letter L

Thinking about it and with eyes to the European Continent there could be options for
FECLER
FEGLER
PEGLER
PECLER
etc, etc,.

Then again I've done some better images which I think shows remnants of a sixth letter and not just a full stop ?

Cheers Andy

 

[AndyT]

Andy, I don't think Google's artificial intelligence is going to be any better than the rest of us on this one, but it's lovely to see these again. One of your most entertaining, puzzling old tools, and that's saying something.

Maybe, one day, another set will turn up, and you'll find another equally mystified owner...and you'll be able to disappoint each other...

It's so frustrating that the marks, which presumably were once meant to establish a maker and his trademark as the best source of such a contraption, tell us so little now. Not quite as hard as deciphering cuneiform tablets, but harder than spotting old chisel makers!

 

[toolsntat]

Yes Andy, still hawking them round looking for clues :eusa-whistle:
I happened to be doing a bit with the Google Lens gubbins the other day and let at it with one of your pictures. When it came out with FECTER and it's meaning I couldn't believe it. Imagine being the top ribbon clipper in the county :shock:
I've been sending missives to some medical organisations with, as of yet, no luck.

This lens did give me a couple of great results the other day though (no not the instruments :eusa-doh: ).

I'll park these two images here for your perusal before disclosing what it came up with....





Cheers Andy

 

[novocaine]

Leclerc made weaving tools.

 

[toolsntat]

Leclerc made weaving tools.

I'm liking the idea of this....
Back in a mo....
Cheers Andy

 

[toolsntat]

Righto, I'm back after emailing the
https://wigstonframeworkknitters.org.uk/The_Museum.html
To whom, coincidentally, I was speaking to last night.
If this is the area they were used in it'll explain the extreme wear.
Thank you for the head's up Novacaine :text-bravo:
Cheers Andy

 

[Lurker]

Another option,Andy.

https://frameworkknittersmuseum.org.uk/

 

[toolsntat]

Another option,Andy.

https://frameworkknittersmuseum.org.uk/

Yes Jim, another lovely place to visit. We went to one of their special open days a few years back.
Cheers Andy

 

[TrimTheKing]

I'll park these two images here for your perusal before disclosing what it came up with....

View attachment 1

For running across the scalp. The tiny needles penetrate the skin for follicular stimulation?

 

[toolsntat]

I'll park these two images here for your perusal before disclosing what it came up with....

View attachment 1

For running across the scalp. The tiny needles penetrate the skin for follicular stimulation?

Really? Back in a bit.... :shock:
Cheers Andy

 

[AndyT]

The thing with 3 lamps looks red at the top so possibly red, amber, green. But it's small, unless the cable is huge. What used mini traffic lights?

A mock-up from an old driving school? A portable traffic light for the cycling proficiency test? Or did it go outside the head's door, so naughty schoolchildren could knock, wait and tremble?

 

[Mike Jordan]

Some department stores used lights of that sort to inform staff and supervisors, different combinations of lights giving different meanings.

 

[novocaine]

The traffic light is a french repeater light isn't it? normally attached around 1m up from the floor.

 

[Lurker]

I reckon that the spiky things are something to do with amateur wool spinning

 

[novocaine]

docking roller?

 

[TrimTheKing]

For running across the scalp. The tiny needles penetrate the skin for follicular stimulation?

Really? Back in a bit.... :shock:
Cheers Andy

Here’s a modern one, could be complete coincidence but they look very similar…

 

[TrimTheKing]

For running across the scalp. The tiny needles penetrate the skin for follicular stimulation?

Really? Back in a bit.... :shock:
Cheers Andy

Here’s a modern one, could be complete coincidence but they look very similar…

EDIT : Actually, looking again more closely at your pic the spikes are a lot more heavy duty so it’s probably not the same thing.

 

[novocaine]

:?

I reckon that the spiky things are something to do with amateur wool spinning

if you are thinking of a card, they aren't normally round.

 

[toolsntat]

Valiant efforts all round, thanks...
The spiked rollers have made a right mess of meyed.. :text-lol:
But really, here they are, for refreshing the face of stitched polishing mops after getting glazed over time.

https://beke.de/Abdrehwerkzeug

The mini traffic light is actually one of a pair of Wilcot Robot miniature traffic light direction indicators that were originally fitted, for a very short time in the early 1930s, to Morris cars. One was mounted on each side of the car, and they showed red, amber and green both forward and backward. When turning the green light was lit on the side you were turning to. The other side was lit red When travelling straight ahead, the amber light showed both sides. These were fitted on 1933 cars because William Morris did not like semaphore type traficator arms, as 6d old money (2.1/2p) had to be paid in royalties for each pair fitted to any vehicle. However, the 'traffic light' system was so confusing that the then Minister of Transport, Hore-Belisha refused to sanction their use and in March 1933 Morris Motors Ltd announced that in the future semaphore signals would be fitted, and any existing vehicles would be modified free of charge.

Cheers Andy

 

[AndyT]

Thanks Andy, a bonkers bit of history I could never have guessed at!

 

[RogerS]

For running across the scalp. The tiny needles penetrate the skin for follicular stimulation?

Really? Back in a bit.... :shock:
Cheers Andy

Here’s a modern one, could be complete coincidence but they look very similar…

Looks very much like an enhanced version of the perhaps best not go any further.

 

[toolsntat]

Thanks Andy, a bonkers bit of history I could never have guessed at!

Yes Andy, such a short lived thing. They must have put a lot of time and money into these very well engineered lights.
Makes me wonder just how many cars were made with them fitted ?
What was 3 months car production for Morris in 1933 and was it just one model?

Cheers Andy

 

[toolsntat]

Just revisiting this to say I've stumbled upon a manufacturer with a very similar pipe in the trademark to the one on the trigger shears but with a different script L' èspagne.

https://sha.org/assets/documents/Trademarks%20on%20Base-Metal%20Tableware.pdf

Nothing conclusive without further research/results but I'm clutching at any possibilities.

Cheers, Andy

 

[toolsntat]

For reference to look into later Birks the Tobacco Pipe trademark had a convoluted history as extensivly researched here

Birks “Tobacco Pipe”

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[AndyT]

Doh! Should have looked in there. Way back a decade or two ago, I think it was Alf that tipped us off about the existence of that obscure but useful little pamphlet. Now that there are so many other places to look, it's easy to forget.

But are you any nearer to finding out the original purpose....?!?

 

[toolsntat]

Doh! Should have looked in there. Way back a decade or two ago, I think it was Alf that tipped us off about the existence of that obscure but useful little pamphlet. Now that there are so many other places to look, it's easy to forget.

But are you any nearer to finding out the original purpose....?!?

To be honest Andy you do far better than me at least in remembering any of the useful places to garner information.
I'm not certain yet that the Birks link is the right one at this stage as the couple of trade names they are using don't match/fit with the one present on the shears.
There's mention in some of the text I read that for a time the brothers moved to Antwerp and carried out manufacturing there.
One of them also worked for a Surgical instrument maker, although it was stated as a warehouse man.
I shall have a word with Grace Horne and see what she makes of this.
And alas still quite a mystery.....
Cheers, Andy

 

[toolsntat]

I have had an interesting reply from Cutlers Hall in Sheffield......
Now looking for a clearer representation of this mark.
Perhaps need some French Googling as the English results are sparse ?
Cheers, Andy

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I have been liaising with one of our Scissor Manufacturers now retired, who is a freeman of the company. He believes the item was made in Thiers, France by a company called Aciers Coste. From what I understand they used to make scissors and shears some years ago. It wasn’t rare at that time for them to make specialist custom made tools for clients.

Philip has never come across this design in his long career but recognised the name on the picture immediately and did some checks for me. He believes that this was one of the custom items but isn’t sure of what this one is for.
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[AndyP]

Seems they were big in corsets too!

History - Aciers Coste

Responsiveness of a service center for your normalised products, tecnicity of a cold roller mill for your specific production.

www.aciers-coste.com

Maybe of interest. You can turn on auto generated english translated subtitles

I’d be happy to write to Aciers Coste on you behalf.

 

[toolsntat]

Seems they were big in corsets too!

History - Aciers Coste

Responsiveness of a service center for your normalised products, tecnicity of a cold roller mill for your specific production.

www.aciers-coste.com

Maybe of interest. You can turn on auto generated english translated subtitles

I’d be happy to write to Aciers Coste on you behalf.

Thanks for your kind offer Andy, much appreciated.
Leave it with me for a moment as I hope to see if a friend has them on her radar and if so she may already be in contact with them herself.
Cheers, Andy