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Good morning all

Well after YEARS of crappy internet connectivity for the past 22 years, having lived in Manchester suburbs not more than 150 cable meters away from my exchange, to out in a field at the end of a damp piece of string, I have never had more than I have now at 18Mbps/1Mbps.

This just isn't enough now both SWMBO and I are both full time home workers and we have two fully digitally connected kids in their early teens, using phones, Netflix etc. Something had to be done!

Freedom Fibre are touting around our area and I've been liaising with them for a few weeks, flyering the rest of the houses on our road and down in the village, to get everyone to register interest and sign wayleaves for FF to survey and tell us when/if they can provide us a service. They effectively piggy back on existing infrastructure, running their fibres through existing ducting or renting BT pole space and running them overhead.

This process could take a while because of an odd situation where BT's checker tells me that absolutely under no circumstances is my area and any of the postcodes in it, in their pipeline to be upgraded to FTTP, but when the telecoms companies then check their higher end systems (so they can confirm and go back to the Government to claim the relevant subsidies to make it financially viable for them to provide) BT system tells them that we ARE on the list, they just have no date for when. Brilliant!

During this time my friend and neighbour up the road (only 150 metres further along the cable than me but can only get 6Mbps/0.5Mbps), who used to own many telecoms companies over the years and knows the owners of FF and the other smaller entities looking to help us, decided enough was enough and he was going to look into Starlink. It arrived last week and it's completely stunned us both.

Dish arrives with a small star shaped stand mount, which you put on your lawn (for initial setup, or you could leave it there) and mount the square dish atop, plug in the router indoors and run a long (75m provided) PoE cable from dish to router, and fire up the app. The dish then auto adjusts itself (small motors in the mounting bracket) to align itself with the Starlink satellite train, and job done.

He's now getting 220Mbps/14Mbps with 20ms ping times, which is MORE than adequate for everything bar the needs of a professional gamer (which neither of us are), so my order went in yesterday. I've also ordered the ethernet adapter (for some reason there is no ethernet port on the router so if you want to use a 3rd party mesh system or have any wired devices you need the adapter), and a wall mount so I can mount it at eaves level out of the way and with the clearest view of the sky.

I've also ordered an Orbi mesh system to then pipe the Wi-Fi around the house.

Not cheap at £460 for the hardware then £75pm, but once it's up and running I'll cancel my previous Sky broadband and land line, saving about £35pm, leaving me a delta of around £40. Wife and I can both claim a small portion of that back through work, so all in all not a massive dent in the wallet for a much needed upgrade.

I'll let you know how it goes...

@Roger - might be worth looking at for your internet needs, if the price isn't too much of a put off...
 
Cheers, Mark...but our current speed is good enough for our needs....although the opportunity to watch UHD would be good even though the missus can't see the difference !
 
Very interesting Mark.

I have been having similar thoughts as I intend to start a new business that will require better connectivity than we have now. Starlink are offering incentives in some areas.

Be interesting to see how you get on. It should improve for a while as they put up more low orbit satellites. Will be interesting to see how it reacts to bad weather.
 
As a Freesat user bad weather can be a problem and it is not just electrical storms heavy rain has an adverse effect. Maybe with the number of starlink satellites in orbit weather will be less of an issue.
 
AJB Temple":w9sz7nao said:
Very interesting Mark.

I have been having similar thoughts as I intend to start a new business that will require better connectivity than we have now. Starlink are offering incentives in some areas.

Be interesting to see how you get on. It should improve for a while as they put up more low orbit satellites. Will be interesting to see how it reacts to bad weather.

Yep will be an interesting experiment. They claim because of the auto alignment of the dish that wind doesn't impact it, and the Starlink community has a lot of comments about it not being impacted by extreme wind or rain for people who've experienced storms, so fingers crossed...

They've also done the almost unthinkably in the Capitalist world we live, in dropping the monthly fee from £85-75, claiming that because more users have come on board they can offer it at lower cost, and they plan to lower it further, so that would be nice...
 
There are a lot of Starlink sats and they are a lot closer to earth.
Here is an unofficial site that shows a few of the different satellite ISP constellations. The difference in altitude and the shear numbers you should expect a different experience than the more traditional solutions.

https://satellitemap.space

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Andyp":umps3je6 said:
As a Freesat user bad weather can be a problem and it is not just electrical storms heavy rain has an adverse effect. Maybe with the number of starlink satellites in orbit weather will be less of an issue.

I think that's their USP in this arena Andy, there is a train of around 3000 satellites at the moment, but Elon plans up to 42,000 apparently!!

When we were in South Africa a few weeks ago there was so little light pollution we saw the train go overheard with about 30 or so satellites streaking across the night sky. It was quite a sight, difficult to photograph though.

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forrestmount":1ok527gd said:
There are a lot of Starlink sats and they are a lot closer to earth.
Here is an unofficial site that shows a few of the different satellite ISP constellations. The difference in altitude and the shear numbers you should expect a different experience than the more traditional solutions.

https://satellitemap.space

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Looks like I might be lucky for once, the Starlink train path looks like it passes immediately over the NW, so right over my head! We have actually seen it once, but faintly and the sky was crystal clear.
 
We've had starlink for probably 6 months or so now as our previous connection was awful. Its been very reliable and very fast.
 
jimmy s":3g1nluzt said:
We've had starlink for probably 6 months or so now as our previous connection was awful. Its been very reliable and very fast.

Good to know Jimmy, thanks. I'm excited for it to arrive now.
 
Looking at the availability map on the Starlink website, any idea why there seems to be a 'Not-spot' in London and one near you, Mark? Also a couple in the middle of Europe.
 
RogerS":1hkcx3hq said:
Looking at the availability map on the Starlink website, any idea why there seems to be a 'Not-spot' in London and one near you, Mark? Also a couple in the middle of Europe.

Good spot, haven't a clue. Those two are showing as 'waitlist' so not sure what's going on there. London is the centre, so perhaps a blackspot because of building density and not being able to see enough of the sky perhaps? The one near me I haven't a clue.
 
Just a guess here but:

shared bandwidth with other services is possible. given that both dead spots house the busiest UK airports who use telesat and other LEO services for ATC (remote ATC for all of london uses LEO and ground based network for redundency in connection).
 
I did wonder whether the airport might be a reason Dave but couldn't think of why to back that up, your comments make sense though.
 
Dr.Al":10qwj1xg said:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jan/10/starlink-satellite-dish-cats-elon-musk

I must send an email to Elon suggesting that he reverse engineer the power supply to the dish to generate a few kV. Sorted. Bird population increases. Result. :twisted:
 
Dr.Al":j749aqc1 said:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jan/10/starlink-satellite-dish-cats-elon-musk

I see he is using cat5 technology...............


fetching coat....
 
Dr.Al":1bb5zkcq said:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jan/10/starlink-satellite-dish-cats-elon-musk

Haha that’s funny! Luckily there’s no way cats can get on my roof, far too high and no leap off points near enough.
 
Lovely stuff. DHL have confirmed Monday delivery, which isn’t bad considering it was ordered Monday this week in the afternoon, so 7 days door to door from California.
 
One thing to watch is if you are going to use your own router is that you need an adapter from starlink. You might be ok if using Starlink mesh WiFi. It was in development when I got our dish so had to put starlink router on bypass and connected it via netgear switch to existing ubiquiti unifi WAPs and rest of network. Be interested to see how you get on withstarlink WiFi as our ubiquiti stuff is getting on a bit and isnt supported any more.
 
Already accounted for, I ordered the service, ethernet adapter and eaves pole mount up front so they're on the way. I've got an Orbi RBK353 mesh system that I will be using as the main router with Starlink in bypass, and am also looking into the Firewalla Blue/Purple devices as an additional security & network monitoring tool.
 
When I ordered mine starlink made no mention of needing an adapter, as their router had not long been updated info was scant. I had to wait weeks for the adapter as they were on back order.

Sorry I thought you were using the starlink mesh system. I need to update ours will have a look at orbi, I got a netgear nighthawk router that's wifi6 which has been good, but need to sort out replacements for the 2 old ubiquiti unifi WAPs.
 
jimmy s":2nodkoq6 said:
When I ordered mine starlink made no mention of needing an adapter, as their router had not long been updated info was scant. I had to wait weeks for the adapter as they were on back order.

Sorry I thought you were using the starlink mesh system. I need to update ours will have a look at orbi, I got a netgear nighthawk router that's wifi6 which has been good, but need to sort out replacements for the 2 old ubiquiti unifi WAPs.

The RBK535 is good, 1Gb internet port and 2.8Gb internal Wi-Fi capability, and for £250 for router and 3 AP's not stupidly expensive. Very easy to set up too.
 
Mmmm.....just been alerted to this

Mr Musk asked his 107.7 million followers to vote on ideas that included ceding territory to Russia.

Musk can stuff his Starlink where the sun doesn't shine
 
What’s the latest on your Starlink experience Mark?

I’ve got to make a decision about where/how/if to dig a trench to lay a conduit for a fibre cable to be pulled through. Existing ADSL is blocked/snagged under our garden somewhere and again in the lane. If I wait for the road to get dug up I would need to dig through or round large cherry tree, length about 15m.
I chose to use the next pole up the road and on our side or the road I need to dig about 35m and avoid large tulip tree roots and the water main but with the advantage of getting it done soon.
Ground is clay which has hardened now for the summer.
Overhead is not an option, trees.
I can’t see me doing the digging which means getting someone in. Cost unknown at the moment.

Starlink costs here are €300 for hardware & €50 per month. We are currently paying €40 per month.

Lots to ponder.
 
Dont know if its available, or even legal there, but here we have microwave internet providers as so many places dont have land lines (me! The land line is 100 metres from my house, it would cost me a thousand euro to get connected to it).
Theres a microwave transceiver on the roof pointing to a server hub (I think thats what its called), and everything works fantastic.
I know more people on microwave than on landlines.
 
Andy, IIRC you can download an app which will tell you the best place for the antenna/receiver
 
Really happy with the performance and stability mate. Expensive at £75pm but there’s talk that fibre will appear within 6 months so happy to continue with Starlink for now.

I’d say average is probably around 100Mb stable, it can dip to around 80 and be as high as 290 for short spells if the satellites are overhead. I believe the throughput will be higher overall as the gaps in the satellite train are filled in.
 
Once we’ve had a few quotes in for the trench digging we will do a cost benefit analysis, weigh up the pros and cons and make a decision. I see that Starlink are not the only player, SkYDsl also available.

Fibre just seems the right, long term, reliable solution. There seems a risk to me in having Starlink provide everything. Once the cable is laid we can pick and choose service providers. If Musk goes belly up or throws his toys out of his pram we would have no plan B. We barely get 3G data here.

Had a look around for Microwave Bob, not a solution for isolated properties by the looks of it.
 
I thought it might be an option. Its absolutely everywhere on island.
 
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