The Bike Workshop

[cadman_4]

Monday evening madness

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[Rod]

Looking good, you’ll soon be playing with wood!

Rod

 

[cadman_4]

Yep can’t wait. For me this is the necessary evil before I can start on the bit I enjoy [emoji4]


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[Malc2098]

I remember that bit on mine. When I got all the way round and it was all closed up, the heavens opened and I ended up with a swimming pool!

 

[cadman_4]

I'm planning on building the first course all round and then leave a space for the french doors in courses 2 and 3 so most likely I will suffer the same and end up with a paddling pool for the grandkids :lol:

 

[Malc2098]

I'm planning on building the first course all round and then leave a space for the french doors in courses 2 and 3 so most likely I will suffer the same and end up with a paddling pool for the grandkids :lol:

I learned all about how to prime a syphon!

 

[cadman_4]

I'm planning on building the first course all round and then leave a space for the french doors in courses 2 and 3 so most likely I will suffer the same and end up with a paddling pool for the grandkids :lol:

I learned all about how to prime a syphon!

I may be pestering you when the weather turns [emoji16]


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[9fingers]

I'm planning on building the first course all round and then leave a space for the french doors in courses 2 and 3 so most likely I will suffer the same and end up with a paddling pool for the grandkids :lol:

Simply leave a couple of vertical joints in the base course with no mortar as drains until the building is weather tight and then point them up.

Bob

 

[Mike G]

I'm planning on building the first course all round and then leave a space for the french doors in courses 2 and 3 so most likely I will suffer the same and end up with a paddling pool for the grandkids :lol:

Leave a couple of perps (vertical joints between bricks) free of mortar, for pointing up later. This way a pond won't form, and any puddles can be swept to the openings to drain away outside.

 

[9fingers]

Bit of an echo in here eh? :lol: :lol:

Bob

 

[cadman_4]

Bit of an echo in here eh? :lol: :lol:

Bob

I was just thinking the same thing. Well you know what they say about two great minds and all that


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[Mike G]

Oops. That's what happens when you have two minutes between plastering tasks, and read only the first unread post.

 

[cadman_4]

Time for a bit of an update. The plinth wall is all finished off

Next bit was working out the timber requirements

And then time to knock up the walls

Just got the noggins / bracing to sort out and the wall plate before the starting the roof


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[Rod]

Getting there.

Rod

 

[Malc2098]

Looking good.

 

[cadman_4]

So I've got round to fitting all the window & door openings with suitable noggins for bracing.

i shall be attempting the roof next week and am looking for advise on how big the ridge beam needs to be?

I was going to roof the workshop with slate to match the house, but that looks a bit too costly at the moment so we have decided to do the metal roofing similar to Malc with the tile profile metal sheeting.

I assume that this wouldn't need such a large ridge as a slate roof would. The rafters are going to be 150mm so i can fit 100mm of insulation in and leave a 50mm air gap below the roof sheets. i have had another read through Malc's build and his looks like a 150mm ridge however i don't know how that workshop compares to mine dimension wise. Mine is 6.75M long by 3.80M wide external dimensions.

Cheers

John

 

[Malc2098]

Hi John,

Mine is 5.5 x 3.5m. The 145x45 ridge beam is structural because I don't have ties for every rafter pair. There's a gap in the middle to give the shop height.

I think....I'm not qualified.... that if you have ties all the way along for every rafter pair, then your ridge beam need not be structural like mine and can be thinner, and only need be as wide as the angled end of the rafter.

I would think that a metal roof like mine is significantly lighter than slate, but then some weight is added by the OSB roof sheathing.

Others on this forum as much more experienced than I am and also qualified to answer your questions, but I hope my there ha'peth helps.

ATB

M

 

[cadman_4]

Thanks Malc

I was assuming that a 150 x 45 beam would be suitable. I will possibly be using half of the space as a small loft area to store a few odds n sods, so will also be leaving out either one or two ties to allow access

I’m sure Mike or one of the others will be along soon to confirm our thoughts


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[cadman_4]

Well after all that I’ve ended up putting a 9” ridge beam in with the thought that I could change the roof to slate at a later date if required

So here are a few updates from the last week

Ridge beam lifted into position

End rafters in place

Remaining rafters fitted

Then started to wrap the exterior


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[cadman_4]

Overnight we had a ‘little’ shower so I ended up with a lido

Looks like we might get a few more showers so I’ve temporarily covered the roof

I left a few of the perps? Clear of mortar as mentioned by Mike but it still managed to retain 15 gallons of rainwater

So next step when I’ve got time will be boarding out the interior to stiffen up the walls a bit more

Tally ho


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[StevieB]

Looking very nice! If water cannot get out, you can at least be happy nothing small and furry can get in either

 

[Malc2098]

Pip pip!

 

[cadman_4]

Time for a bit of an update me thinks

So currently the workshop is water tight so last weekend I managed to get a few hours in to put up the metal roofing sheets

I have come up to the point of needing to fit the ridge cap. Any thoughts from you guys on how to climb up the roof to install and bolt down the ridge caps. Each ridge is 3m long. I have tried to stand on the roof but the coating is quite slippery so I’m not happy trying that. I had thought about using a roofing ladder but they look like they wouldn’t allow a gap big enough to clear the ridge capping

Thanks in advance

John


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[TrimTheKing]

Have you only done those ones? If so one option is to fix them from the other side as you lay each sheet on the other side, assuming you have enough reach...

 

[cadman_4]

Good thinking but I’ve done both sides now as it looks like the weather is about to turn. I have been routing through our PPE box at work and borrowed a full harness with adjustable rope restraint so I’m thinking I could scale the roof in a similar fashion to mountain climbers with a rope tied on the opposite side of the workshop and climb up to the ridge then tie off the rope. But still open to any more ideas, the more the better

John


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[TrimTheKing]

Borrow or fashion a cat ladder such as the ones roofers use...? Lay it on the roof, hooked over the ridge, then climb up it and sit on it while working. Cheap, simple and time tested.

 

[Malc2098]

Borrow or fashion a cat ladder such as the ones roofers use...? Lay it on the roof, hooked over the ridge, then climb up it and sit on it while working. Cheap, simple and time tested.

:text-+1:

Could you use the 50x25 roof battens to make one.

Looking good!

 

[cadman_4]

Borrow or fashion a cat ladder such as the ones roofers use...? Lay it on the roof, hooked over the ridge, then climb up it and sit on it while working. Cheap, simple and time tested.

:text-+1:

Could you use the 50x25 roof battens to make one.

Looking good!

Good thinking Malc

So how did you fix your ridge or were they smaller sections that you could fit as you went along?




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[Rod]

How about making a roof ladder to hook on the ridge and spread the load??

Rod

 

[Malc2098]

Good thinking Malc

So how did you fix your ridge or were they smaller sections that you could fit as you went along?

I was fortunate that my tin roof panels laid flat on the osb sheathing underneath. In addition, the surface was sand textured, so I could squat in my trainers without sliding.

But like the guys have said, you could make a hook ladder to go over the ridge. You could use any 50x25 left over, possibly doubled up for strength, or even order some more from your supplier, because it is good value and afterwards, you can take it to bits and reuse it. I've used some of mine 3 or 4 times. So you get really good value out of it.

 

[cadman_4]

Thanks guys

I’ll have a look at making up some kind of roofing ladder over the weekend I’m sure you’ll all appreciate a good Heath Robinson photo of my attempt


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[Malc2098]

Can't wait!

It won't be an attempt; it will be a success!

 

[RogerS]

I'd definitely go for something like a roof ladder. True, you can rope up but if there's no or little friction in the first place, it's not going to be much help.

 

[bluebirdnick]

looks good! Great to see someone else using metal roofing sheets. The issue you raise is one I am puzzling over i.e. how to get on the roof to fit the ridge. My sheets haven't arrived yet so I will watch your progress and take my steer from what you do! Interesting that you have horizontal battens for the roof. For some reason I had assumed that I would need vertical battens for the roof, but horizontal makes more sense really. Are you using the foam fillers too?

 

[Mike G]

If you can lean a ladder from the ground onto the roof at the same angle as the roof slope, resting on some cushions/ foam/ straw-filled bags, then this can be more robust and out of the way than a roof ladder. A roof-ladder hangs from the very place you want to be working, and I can't see how it wouldn't be in the way. Obviously using a ladder as I describe involves tying or staking the bottom of the ladder into place, and another ladder up to the eaves where you can climb onto the ladder in question where it is supported (it is far too slack to climb up it from the bottom).

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Edit:

If you ever hear a story about a ladder (up a roof) standing on a scaffold tower, and me three quarters of the way up the roof with a bucket of mortar in my hand when the scaffold tower collapsed, I'll deny it emphatically. There are no photos, so it didn't happen. Absolutely not. No sirree. Just a figment of your imagination.......

 

[cadman_4]

Thanks guys

Heath would be proud

I’ve managed to get half done today before the rains came, hopefully get the rest finished tomorrow




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[Malc2098]

Result! Lateral thinking!

 

[TrimTheKing]

Bravo sir!

 

[Phil]

Result! Lateral thinking!

:text-+1:

 

[AndyP]

Where there's a will there's a way.