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Also, do not worry about dietary cholesterol as it does not significantly contribute to to blood cholesterol. Excessive animal fat intake is the thing to avoid.
Not all sliced bread is bad though, if its wholemeal and simple then its good.
 
AJB Temple said:
Cheddar is not "fromage". Get a grip man. :unsure:
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Remember the old advert...."English cheeses pleases" and 'fromage' is simply the French word for cheese:p

SamQ aka Ah! Q! said:
At that strength Rob, "roughage" might be more appropriate....
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It's the sort of cheese aptly described as 'weapons grade' Sam, guaranteed to be better than 120g paper at removing the roof of yer mouth:LOL: - Rob
 
Mike G said:
.... juice of all descriptions.
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That again is a 'catch all' statement Mike. I'm currently imbibing Copella Apple & Elderflower juice which is 99% apple juice, 1% Elderflower infusion plus a little Vitamin C as an antioxidant. Agreed about the fizzy stuff (Coke, Pepsi etc) which I never touch - Rob

Edit - Years ago I also used to drink neat apple juice I pressed myself when making apple wine. Dangerous stuff is neat apple juice.
 
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Copella used to be an independent family business but was bought by Tropicana in 1998 who sold it to PepsiCo in 1999. That might affect some people's purchasing preferences, even if the juice is still the same.
 
We've made apple juice and cider and cider vinegar as we have an abundance of multiple types of apple. Even though we have a scratter and a press, it is hard work, takes ages and I think barely worth it.
 
AJB Temple said:
PS: Beans on toast is greatly improved with a poached or fried (soft yolk) egg on it.
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That's one I haven't tried, but for my money the single biggest improvement to beans on toast is marmite in between.
 
Very little, in the savoury department, cannot be improved by a liberal smattering of marmite, some in this household spread it as thick as others spread chocolate spreads. Scrambled eggs on marmite toast for example.
 
Marmite. That's Bovril for vegetarians isn't it? 😆

I'd eat marmite if it was all that was available, but I'd never buy it. Bovril's much better: Bovril on hot buttered toast is one of my favourite things.
 
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I wouldn’t, of course, wish to start an argument on the topic, however Marmite is actually good for you….

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Is Marmite Good for You?

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AndyP said:
I wouldn’t, of course, wish to start an argument on the topic, however Marmite is actually good for you….

thegutco.com

Is Marmite Good for You?

Marmite— you either love it or you hate it! This popular spreadable food has been around for a long time and has some great nutritional benefits. Let's take a closer look at this popular food and how it can benefit our gut health. What is Marmite? Marmite is an iconic British staple. Its sticky...
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Totally unbiased of course....they are selling "gut reset" pills for £99. This is hogwash. Guts sort themselves out with proper food.
 
AJB Temple said:
Totally unbiased of course....they are selling "gut reset" pills for £99. This is hogwash. Guts sort themselves out with proper food.
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Agreed, lots of garbage out there about gut health etc. I tried a pot of the blue lid, lower salt variety of Marmite which is virtually indistinguishable from the full fat original. Not recommended though, as I did, to drop the first jar on the kitchen floor - Rob
 
Woodbloke said:
Agreed, lots of garbage out there about gut health etc. I tried a pot of the blue lid, lower salt variety of Marmite which is virtually indistinguishable from the full fat original. Not recommended though, as I did, to drop the first jar on the kitchen floor - Rob
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Glass adds a bit of roughage...?
 
AndyP said:
I wouldn’t, of course, wish to start an argument on the topic, however Marmite is actually good for you….

thegutco.com

Is Marmite Good for You?

Marmite— you either love it or you hate it! This popular spreadable food has been around for a long time and has some great nutritional benefits. Let's take a closer look at this popular food and how it can benefit our gut health. What is Marmite? Marmite is an iconic British staple. Its sticky...
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Yes, BUT! All that salt :mad:
 
We’ve strayed horrendously off topic here of course for which I apologise and I do not suppose for one minute an opinion from an unbiased nutritionalist would help sway the non-believers.
https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/health/nutrition/is-marmite-good-for-you
As part of a balanced diet of course .
If the body and diet is looked after in other areas then perhaps room is left for a few indulgences in the UPF areas.
 
Beans are very healthy, lots of fibre for the digestive system.
Dry beans, lentils and soup mix soaked and the cooked with veg and some chicken.
Beans out of a tin are bad, lots of sodium. Processed food and irrespective of draining and washing still too much sodium.
Baked beans are healthy, BUT again out of a tin negates any health benefits.

AndyP said:
We’ve strayed horrendously off topic here of course for which I apologise and I do not suppose for one minute an opinion from an unbiased nutritionalist would help sway the non-believers.
https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/health/nutrition/is-marmite-good-for-you
As part of a balanced diet of course .
If the body and diet is looked after in other areas then perhaps room is left for a few indulgences in the UPF areas.
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No, not off topic as it all has an impact on the cholesterol.
 
AndyP said:
If the body and diet is looked after in other areas then perhaps room is left for a few indulgences in the UPF areas.
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Marmite IS a UPF :D

But here is a tip for its use. When you are boiling your spuds to make roast potatoes, add a spoonful of marmite to the water. It adds a golden colour to the spuds and assists with getting a nice even browning when they are roasted in your fat of choice. It is also excellent to add umami flavour for stocks (for gravy) and as it is salty anyway you season the gravy less.
 
Great tip for the spuds, thanks. Never thought of that.
I know Marmite is a UPF. I was trying to suggest that because I am either lucky enough, or work hard enough at it, to have a very healthy heart etc I can afford the odd indulgence😀
 
marineboy said:
My friend’s daughter in law is a consultant cardiologist and she says that if she had her way she’d put statins in the water supply. Presumably, unlike GP surgeries, she has no financial incentive to encourage their use.
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Do GPs have any financial incentive to prescribe statins? That wasn't my understanding.
 
Phil said:
Beans are very healthy, lots of fibre for the digestive system.
Dry beans, lentils and soup mix soaked and the cooked with veg and some chicken.
Beans out of a tin are bad, lots of sodium. Processed food and irrespective of draining and washing still too much sodium.
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A quick scan of the ingredients in Waitrose tins of beans showed no added salt. Some have Ascorbic acid (vitamin C) as an antioxidant. Some of the fancy organic chick peas in jars do have salt though. Worth a glance at the ingredients.

This fuss about processed and ultra-processed food needs clarification to me. Beans are cooked in the can, in water. What harm does it do (we could discuss the plastic film lining the can I guess). The main problem with processed foods IMHO is not physical processes the food goes through, but the opportunity it presents to the food industry (who I distrust deeply) to "cut" the food with garbage.

There is an argument that tinned beans are enviromentally friendly as the bulk cooking is much more energy efficient than boiling dried beans for hours. But then there is the tin can, and transporting water about. Not sure I believe it.
 
Sheffield Tony said:
A quick scan of the ingredients in Waitrose tins of beans showed no added salt. Some have Ascorbic acid (vitamin C) as an antioxidant. Some of the fancy organic chick peas in jars do have salt though. Worth a glance at the ingredients.

This fuss about processed and ultra-processed food needs clarification to me. Beans are cooked in the can, in water. What harm does it do (we could discuss the plastic film lining the can I guess). The main problem with processed foods IMHO is not physical processes the food goes through, but the opportunity it presents to the food industry (who I distrust deeply) to "cut" the food with garbage.

There is an argument that tinned beans are enviromentally friendly as the bulk cooking is much more energy efficient than boiling dried beans for hours. But then there is the tin can, and transporting water about. Not sure I believe it.
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My own opinion is that it's a) the processes that the food goes through and b) what goes into it which to my mind means you can have processed food (eg beanz in a tomato sauce) and less processed food, such as Waitrose 'Organic Four Bean Salad', which is simply four different sorts of beans, in water, in a tin (I know this as I've got a tin in front of me :LOL:) UPF is subjected to a lot more additives and processes, such as the shop bought iced cakes (Colin the Caterpillar etc) so that when you turn over the packet and look at what's in it, the list of ingredients takes up a quarter of the packaging.

Then again, ice cream is also considered a UPF, but there's no way anyone will ever get me stop buying each week my favourite tub of Waitrose 'Cornish Sea Salt Caramel Brittle':ROFLMAO: - Rob
 
Maybe this is just semantics, but to me foods have two aspects, ingredients and processes. IMHO, though we talk about "processed foods" and "ultra processed foods", the emphasis is wrong - I'm much less bothered about processes than the actual ingredients. Processing is not the problem in itself, it just has the side effects of allowing poor quality ingredients to be disguised, and artificial ingredients to be added.

When I worked in an agri-food research institute, a food industry employee once told us that her job was to sell the public as much water and air as possible. And they are probably the most healthy added ingredients !
 
UPF. I have no expertise, as I try to avoid factory made foods entirely. However, I disagree Tony re the processes. For example, a lot of meat is stripped from carcasses using high pressure water jets. This is made into sausages and pastes and burgers. Chicken can be machine stripped, shredded and reconstituted. So can fish. These are processes that in my view do not make real food.

Quite a lot of bread sold as sourdough in supermarkets and supplied to a lot of pubs from factory bakeries, is substantially rapid dough using industrial yeast with some ferment added at the end. This is an industrial process entirely unrelated to slow fermentation of a true natural yeast. It exploits marketing and product description loopholes and cons consumers.

Some of the processes used by parts of the wine industry are rather questionable too. Particularly regarding sulphates, undisclosed dosage, clarifying chemicals etc.
 
The ingredients in a £10 (so not rotgut) bottle of Tesco Marlborough Cab, Sauv - Grapes, sugar, potassium metabisulphate, sul;phur dioxide, ascorbic acid, potassium polyaspartate, yeast manoprotein, acacia gum, nitrogen, carbon dioxide, concentrated grape must, tartaric acid.

All wine drinkers should join the Wine Society. Only £40 and you get £20 of that back.
 
Phil Pascoe said:
The ingredients in a £10 (so not rotgut) bottle of Tesco Marlborough Cab, Sauv ....
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Not rot gut ? Who are you kidding. How much of that is tax? Tesco's profit margin. It most definitely IS rotgut
 
John Brown said:
Do GPs have any financial incentive to prescribe statins? That wasn't my understanding.
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In a word yes.
I have a relative who's a GP but had it confirmed by another very reliable source in a local practice as well. I believe if you dig a bit it's not too difficult to confirm
Understandable from an NHS point of view as if it reduces hospitalisation it reduces costs.

Just as an aside, I doubt the majority of people know that there are also incentives to delay referrals for many patient issues such as knees, hips etc. one of the reasons for setting up the MSK ( musculoskeletal ) system where they put you through many months of largely unhelpful physiotherapy and pain management until forced to refer for consultant assessment. This can add years before an operation and the reality is some people find the money to go private and some die. Effective cost saving measures. Physiotherepy doesn't help when your joint has worn to the stage where it's bone on bone. :rolleyes:
 
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The same (daft) policy was adopted for a while by Gloucestershire NHS Trust when it came to cataract surgery. They delayed and delayed and delayed. Then when they would finally deign to give you the operation they found that the cataractes were so far gone and stiffened up that the operation was considerably longer, more awkward, less successful and cost a hell of a l
ot more.
 
Lons said:
In a word yes.
I have a relative who's a GP but had it confirmed by another very reliable source in a local practice as well. I believe if you dig a bit it's not too difficult to confirm
Understandable from an NHS point of view as if it reduces hospitalisation it reduces costs.

Just as an aside, I doubt the majority of people know that there are also incentives to delay referrals for many patient issues such as knees, hips etc. one of the reasons for setting up the MSK ( musculoskeletal ) system where they put you through many months of largely unhelpful physiotherapy and pain management until forced to refer for consultant assessment. This can add years before an operation and the reality is some people find the money to go private and some die. Effective cost saving measures. Physiotherepy doesn't help when your joint has worn to the stage where it's bone on bone. :rolleyes:
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I stand corrected - and disappointed. I thought all that went out with the advent of NICE.
From a friend who used to work as a pharmaceutical rep, I do know that there used to be freebies from the big pharma companies, but that ostensibly ended a long time ago.

I've taken statins for many years now. I did once stop of my own accord for about six months, and the next time I had a routine blood test, my GP noted that my cholesterol count was up, and suggested increasing the statin dose. I owned up to stopping the statins, he asked if I'd seen any decrease in muscle fatigue etc., I had to admit that I hadn't, and resumed taking them.
 
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