Cabinetman
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Wow, that’s a LOT of work! I really like the claw detail, it’s very realistic.
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Hi all and welcome to TheWoodHaven2 brought into the 21st Century, kicking and screaming! We all have Alasdair to thank for the vast bulk of the heavy lifting to get us here, no more so than me because he's taken away a huge burden of responsibility from my shoulders and brought us to this new shiny home, with all your previous content (hopefully) still intact! Please peruse and feed back. There is still plenty to do, like changing the colour scheme, adding the banner graphic, tweaking the odd setting here and there so I have added a new thread in the 'Technical Issues, Bugs and Feature Requests' forum for you to add any issues you find, any missing settings or just anything you'd like to see added/removed from the feature set that Xenforo offers. We will get to everything over the coming weeks so please be patient, but add anything at all to the thread I mention above and we promise to get to them over the next few days/weeks/months. In the meantime, please enjoy!
Now for the Chairs
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fiveeyes
Sapling
Indeed!
NickM
Old Oak
That is a great milestone!
Is it just the angle at which the photo was taken, or are those cabriole legs bandy looking? Bandiness in cabriole legs is usually the result of not leaving at least a slender column of wood (e.g. at least 4 - 5 mm round or square) running through the length of the leg, as illustrated in the drawing below. At 1 on the left the slim continuous column of wood helps reduce the likelihood of grain failure as illustrated at 2. As can also be seen drawing 2's leg looks a rather bandy whereas the leg on the left,1, does not.
I do very much hope it's the angle or way the chair has been photographed. Slainte.
They do look very bandy on the photo. I will check them. As I copied someone else’s design I hope not. It was not a concern I had whilst making the legs.
I think you're right and it was just the way the chair and its cabriole leg was photographed. It does appear likely that there is a column of wood running all through if I'm offsetting the edge of the straight edge to the right correctly in your photo.
I don't recall who or when I was taught the 'column of wood' thing for cabriole leg proportions, but it's always stuck with me as making sense and worth adhering too when drawing various forms of cabriole leg I've worked on over the years. Slainte.
You do not miss much Andy. Well spotted. I have decided to be a bit of a maverick. Hence no rebates on a glued up chair. My plan is to plant an ovolo moulding onto the rails and sit the the seat on the rails. When I designed the chairs there was two things I did not like about the traditional design first rebated rails and second cut away brackets. It seemed such a waste of expensive wood. So I will have planted on brackets and planted on moulding to form the seat rebate.
I am back to chairs. I came accross a very neat way of holding the assembled chair still so that you can do all of those finishing jobs without having to move the chair and risk damaging it. In my case, I have a hydraulic table so this is even more versatile. The front legs are placed in shoes (just plywood from offcuts). By some stroke of luck they precisely fit the dog holes on my table so I attached a dowel to the underside of each shoe. I then fixed two lengths of threaded rod into two dog holes in the central to the chair and then held the chair down by a piece of plywood (The one I copied used a piece of plywood the size of the seat. It works very well. I can do most of the remaining jobs from this position moving my table up and down as needed. All that remains is for me to get on with it. The photo is a bit fish eyed as there is a wall just behind me.
NickM
Old Oak
That's really helpful.
I only have my workbench which will be too high for some of the finishing work, but I have been pondering various ways of holding my chairs for certain tasks I need to complete and will definitely look at doing something like this.
I only have my workbench which will be too high for some of the finishing work, but I have been pondering various ways of holding my chairs for certain tasks I need to complete and will definitely look at doing something like this.
I would not go that far Andy
I doubt anything will ever get me to enjoy finishing. But it certainly makes it easier and less fraught.
They look sturdy!
Maybe it's just the angle of the photo, or you have a cunning plan, but it doesn't look like the batten across the back lines up with the tops of the corner brackets. I thought it would need to? And the depth of the false rebate seems quite small, especially if your seat pads have a soft edge when wrapped in fabric.
Maybe it's just the angle of the photo, or you have a cunning plan, but it doesn't look like the batten across the back lines up with the tops of the corner brackets. I thought it would need to? And the depth of the false rebate seems quite small, especially if your seat pads have a soft edge when wrapped in fabric.
That would have been a good idea but alas I decided to plant the quadrant on top of the rail.
A feature of my workshop the last 25 years has been the full size model of one of my chairs. Made in softwood. It is now redundant. The logical thing to do is to get rid as I would any other model or mock up. It is taking up valuable space. I really do not need it anymore as I have one finished chair and started finishing the second. But it has been with me getting in the way for 25 years.
NickM
Old Oak
25 years! Wow!
My VERY rough mock-up chair got moved out of my woodshed into my workshop yesterday so I could sit on it while doing a job on the real chair!
No3 glued up today. Half way! This one has had a mind of its own for square. The final fit was painful 10mm out of square. I eventually found the offending shoulder and corrected it. The dry run was perfect without clamps. So had a cuppa whilst the glue warmed. Put it together, 10mm out of square again. Of course it was now glued up. I went and got my mighty caul and set about correcting it. It quickly obeyed and was square so I wedged the back legs. But one joint did not look right. Time for a ratchet clamp. It did not move. A look with better light revealed a pencil mark. All good I can relax.
There has also been a variation order issued. A few weeks ago whilst I was looking at some of my design inspiration over my shoulder I heard “I think the chairs with the shells on the front rail look better than those without. Can they be added or is it too late”. Without thinking I said “Yes they are planted on afterwards”. Now I have six shells to carve.
I will be working abroad next week so zero chance of any progress until I get back to the UK.
Sooo with a desire to have the illusion of progress rather than spending a day sanding the back of the next chair, I decided to put it together so I could claim 4 glued up by 1 February 2026!
I will pay the price with alot of faffy sanding when I return. But hey 2/3rds of the chairs glued up rather than just half of them.
Sooo with a desire to have the illusion of progress rather than spending a day sanding the back of the next chair, I decided to put it together so I could claim 4 glued up by 1 February 2026!
I will pay the price with alot of faffy sanding when I return. But hey 2/3rds of the chairs glued up rather than just half of them.
Well a week or so absence from the workshop has turned into 2 months and counting. I returned from my business trips in February one Friday morning. The following Wednesday I felt ill, Thursday I just slept. Friday I woke to a stabbing pain in the lower right of my abdomen. By the time the Doctors took me seriously it was mid afternoon and they had no choice but to send me to A&E. 12 hours later after a CT scan they confirmed it was Appendicitis. In fairness the NHS then stepped up to its very best, 9am I was in theatre having my Appendix removed. I was sent home and told not to lift anything heavy for a month. The CT scan also identified other issues which I am told are not serious but do need sorting so probably more surgery once a plan is formulated.
I am fit enough to go back to my workshop, I am almost looking forward to sanding! I could have returned to the workshop earlier but had a skiing holiday booked, which I thoroughly enjoyed.
Thankfully this occurred whilst I was in the UK rather than any of the locations for my business trips.
Life has a habit of showing just who is in charge. I think I was more shocked by this realisation, than laid low by the operation and recovery.
I am fit enough to go back to my workshop, I am almost looking forward to sanding! I could have returned to the workshop earlier but had a skiing holiday booked, which I thoroughly enjoyed.
Thankfully this occurred whilst I was in the UK rather than any of the locations for my business trips.
Life has a habit of showing just who is in charge. I think I was more shocked by this realisation, than laid low by the operation and recovery.
Cabinetman
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Yes what a thing to find out, am I right in thinking that nobody’s really sure what the pesky things for anyway?
Yes, sat in my hospital bed post op that was the thought I was having. It can still be fatal if it bursts which was why I had emergency surgery 9am Saturday morning. The surgeons made it very clear it was not a risk to take.
We’re going to need a Rest and Recovery board here soon.
Glad you’re ok. The chairs can wait.
Glad you’re ok. The chairs can wait.
AJB Temple
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That used to be the case, but it is now known that it's part of the immune system and among other things stores healthy gut bacteria that replenish supplies in the gut if you have diarrhoea for example.
Mike G
Petrified Pine
My daughter had an emergency appendectomy at 3.00am a few months ago. They take it very seriously indeed. On a related note, my brother was opened up for an appendix operation 30 or 40 years ago. They found his appendix was fine but his spleen had burst. So, now he has to wear a bracelet or necklace explaining that he still has an appendix, despite the scar.
Mike G
Petrified Pine
True......and it's also incredibly useful after a course of antibiotics, which kill off most of your gut bacteria. It's an organ that shrivelled over time through lack of use, because it's primary role was digesting cellulose. Rabbits, for instance, have a bigger appendix than intestine.